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I really think this is an interesting choice.  On my way to lunch, the guy behind me was on the phone and he was all “I don’t understand it either, but I’m sure there’s a reason.  I hope there’s a reason.”  I think there are a couple of reasons.  One, at least from where I’m sitting, she seems like a with-it, interesting, firecracker.  Do you think aids are going to have to (or even be able to) take Palin’s cell phone away from her to keep her off message?  Do you think she has any hesitancy at all about using the internet?  And the picture of her over at Uncle’s?  With the gun?  Fucking hot.  And she effectively ends the ANWAR drilling issue, I think.  If she says we should do it, that carries weight.

I also think it’s interesting that election marks the end of a long line of Southern administrations.  No matter who wins, there won’t be a Southerner among them.

The interesting thing to me, though, is that she doesn’t seem to be a political insider.  And she seems to be kind of a bad-ass.  And while it’s true that it’s probably what McCain’s candidacy needs, I do wonder if it’s what McCain’s administration wants.  She doesn’t seem like the type to play Washington games (though I could be wrong).  She very well may be the maverick McCain wishes he were.

None of this would make me vote for her.  I’m not voting for someone so anti-choice and the national Republicans lost my vote for at least a generation with their response to Katrina.

But, if they win, I will be rooting for her to cause as much trouble as she can.

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  1. Yeah, I think you’re right. Definitely a bit of a surprise pick. I think it’s clear that the primary reason for the choice was to steal away disgruntled Hillary supporters. It will be interesting to see if those who complained that the DNC placed to try and mollify women (which I don’t think they were), will be equally outraged at McCain’s choice (which seems a prett clear attempt to do just that).

    She’s actually almost a likable candidate though. She opposes gay marriage and all that jazz, but her first veto as Gov was against a bill that would have prohibited the state from giving benefits to the partners of gay and lesbian employees. By Republican standards, that practically makes her a gay rights activist. That make take some of the shine off her pro-life credentials among the social conservative GOP base though.

    Oh, but I don’t think her ANWAR position effectively ends anything. Whatever weight the position gains from it being her home state is lost thanks to the fact that she’s LITERALLY married to Big Oil.

  2. I have been screaming this all over Twitter this morning: McCain picked her because she has a vagina. And I am insulted (but not surprised) that they think they will pick up the Hillary votes because you know, vaginas will stick together (ha!) despite the fact that we might not share her values.

    Also, what he said.

  3. She’s vehemently anti-choice, fairly anti-birth control (doesn’t want health insurance to cover it) and is under investigation by her state legislature for abuse of power. I’d say she’s not exactly an even-up swap for Clinton to anyone who was going to vote for Clinton because of, you know, the issues.

  4. Yeah, but anybody who was going to vote for Clinton because of the issues wasn’t going to be voting for a McCain-led ticket in the first place.

  5. Well, sure. PUMAs (when they weren’t outright Republican operatives) are Republicans who were going to cross party lines to vote for Clinton (because she’s a woman) and decided not to stick around when she was out of the picture. But I’m not sure that the Republicans actually understand that. Why else choose her? She completely eliminates McCain’s biggest weapon against Obama, the experience issue. Oh, I guess she lets some people who were going to vote for McCain anyway feel a tad progressive about doing so, but I don’t see her changing anyone’s vote.

  6. Anyone who doesn’t think birth control should be covered by health insurance needs to say that alongside that, neither should Viagra, Cialis, penis pumps, etc.

    And then need to shut the hell up about canning welfare. Hey, you wanted the babies, you pay for them.

  7. and also for the record, it was considered a long shot when Carter ran as a Southerner. Aside from Johnson, who became prez on a bullet, Southerners were considered an outside, losing choice.

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  9. If by bad ass you mean spending the first several minutes of her acceptance speech being all like “oh honey I’m not one of THOSE women — I loooove and admire my husband and define myself primarily as a mother” then yes.

  10. Yes, people call me a real mother all the time. Usually under their breath, but I think it still counts.

  11. not to be a pain in the ass, but the response to Katrina was a failure on the local and state level before it was a failure on the fed level, and the state and local government was democrat. So, if you’re not going to vote for the GOP “for a generation” because of the handling of Katrina, that’s silly. There are plenty of other reasons to not vote for the GOP. But the Katrina situation was EVERYONE’s failure, both parties, and frankly, the presses. I know, we don’t like to say that, but it’s true.

  12. Don’t get me wrong, I won’t be voting for any Louisiana Democrats for anything, soon, either, but the fact remains that the President should have stepped up, immediately.

    That won’t keep me from voting GOP on a local level. Shoot, if that cutie Bob Krumm runs again, I won’t be able to help myself.

  13. Vite, I don’t think it’s silly. Just because one can spread the blame as wide as the coastal region doesn’t make the federal government less accountable for their bumbling and unconscionable lack of interest.

  14. The GOP lost your vote with the response to Katrina??!!

    The rescue after Katrina was the greatest disaster rescue in the history of the world! You surely can’t still be getting your news from the MSM. You compare the Dem mayor and the Dem governor with Bush and think they performed better?!

    Wow.

    Do some research.

  15. Stan, learn to read. I never, ever said that the mayor and governor did better than the Feds. Clearly, oh, so clearly, they did not. But I still expected that the Feds would step in and, you know, save people. That’s my visceral response. You don’t leave Americans to die in the streets of America for any reason. You just don’t. If ever there were a time for someone, anyone, to step in and say “To hell with the law and regulations; I’ll ask forgiveness later,” that was it. I haven’t forgiven any of them for not doing better.

  16. Seriously, you guys have to knock it off with the “anti-choice” stuff. Even Obama used the dreaded a-word last night. He didn’t melt away, didn’t burst into flames.

    Nobody’s buying it, it’s not some kind of brilliant “frame,” and it makes you look childish. And if something is so dreaded that you can’t even utter its name, the rest of us wonder why you’re so in favor of it to begin with.

  17. Bush IS a southerner, he is from Texas, part of the southern states, that were in rebellion to preserve EVIL slavery

  18. Keith, it’s just me here, so I don’t know for sure who you mean by “you guys.” And it is about more than just abortion. It’s also about having access to the Pill and access to accurate information about sex and all kinds of stuff that go hand in hand with being anti-abortion. I thought I was doing your side a favor by saying “anti-choice” as opposed “anti-sex” since that’s what the position amounts to. That would be some kind of brilliant “frame,” but that’s not what I’m up to.

  19. Don’t bother arguing with anyone who brings up “Katrina”. Just don’t. The word “Katrina” isn’t an historical event for her; it’s a mantra, wired into the “Republicans are bad and stupid” part of her brain, and no amount of actual fact-checking will prise it out.

    She has to *want* to learn more about Nagin, Blanco and the sequence of events. That ain’t happenin’. Sorry to disappoint.

  20. I have to agree with Stan – look at the response to various natural disasters over the past few decades (e.g. hurricanes in Florida, floods in the Midwest) and you’ll see that the natural flow of responsibility has *always* been local, then state then federal. The Feds generally offer help to *supplement* the state response when the problem grows too big for them. While they have more first-response capabilities than ever before, emergency first response has always been in the domain of the local and state authorities. That, for example, is why the National Guard (which is a state institution despite its name) usually plays such an important role in large disasters.

    What happened after Katrina is that the Louisiana Dems *completely* blew it and, as a fall-back, they just pointed at Bush and the Feds. Bush, in turn, acted like deer caught in headlights: clueless about not just the disaster but about why everyone was pointing at him. The rest is classic spin.

    It is a classic example of Dems screwing you and then making you hate the Repubs for your pain. How many times does this have to happen before you understand just how the game works?

  21. It’s also about having access to the Pill

    $20 at Walmart, hardly a financial burden. And if you can’t afford $20, then you probably don’t have the type of job that provides insurance, so that’s not going to fix the problem either. Lot’s of low-cost or free health clinics will provide the necessary prescription, and some will be happy to provide several months worth free.

    and access to accurate information about sex

    Internet, public libraries, and family doctors. In the 21st Century, who is it that can’t find accurate information about sex if they really want it?

    I thought I was doing your side a favor by saying “anti-choice” as opposed “anti-sex” since that’s what the position amounts to.

    She has five kids, do you really think she is anti-sex?

  22. I’m not sure what qualifies Palin to be “vehemently anti-choice”. Is it that she’s had more than one designer child or that she didn’t dispose of the Down’s child? That she lives her life in line with her principles? An abortion position is only *not* vehement if you speak against abortion but don’t actually act against it?

    It’s funny how one of the anti-Palin talking points is that she is a working mother proud of her husband and her children – you know, one of THOSE women. Didn’t Pelosi bring out the bairns en masse when she was elected speaker? The chamber looked like a day care center that day.

    These lame attempts to attack Palin are priceless.

  23. Okay, come on. If you’re just commenting here to have the same snarky fights you have every place else, then why even fucking bother?

    But read what I said and argue with that. I said I place the blame also squarely on the shoulders of the state Democrats. They have helped keep Louisiana a corrupt mess. But it’s not like no one knew that. It’s pretty fucking common knowledge. You don’t, in that case, sit around and wait to see how bad things are going to get.

    There’s a lot of stuff I want the government to butt its nose out of. Protecting me from the incompitence of my state is not one of them.

  24. Pardon my lack of composition in what follows but it’s time to hit the road but I want to add my bit

    FEMA had thousands predeployed just outside the path of Katrina. The scenerio of a big hurricaine was gamed and planned for about a decade and the scenerio was called Hurricain Pam. FEMA DMAT (Disaster Medical Assitance teams) went in as soon as the trees stopped falling, The roles and requirements were well known by everyone involved and the locals and the state of LA dropped the figgin ball! I personally know about a hundred of the thousands men and women who deployed to the Gulf coast as part of the federal plan. I know what happened and it wasn’t what was on the news.

  25. This is, I think, the first-ever frontier-Western ticket. Arizona and Alaska were the 48th and 49th states. Notice McCain didn’t play the “pick someone from a balancing part of the country.”

    Obama. with Biden, has a nice East-West rivalry set up.

    Should be fun!

  26. I thought Palin was a great pick. Wouldn’t it be great to return to citizen-legislators rather than these career windbags we’ve got right now? Personally, I’d suggest that Palin knows a darn sight more about normal Americans than Mr. Ivy League Obama, or Senate windbags McCain and Biden.

    Lastly, being the chief executive of Alaska, even for only 20 months, is more management experience than Biden and Obama have combined.

    That’s good enough for me.

  27. Seriously, you guys have to knock it off with the “anti-choice” stuff.

    What else would you call the attempt to deny women the choices to do what they want with their own bodies? Palin wants to take that choice away from women; if she were merely anti-abortion she might try to persuade others not to choose to get abortions, but working to deny others the right to make that choice makes her opposed to choice. It’s not framing, those aren’t weasel words, that’s what she is.

  28. I was flying a UH-60 after Katrina, pulling people out of yards and off rooftops. My crew got 832 people out just by ourselves. There has NEVER in the history of the world been as large and well coordinated a rescue effort as after Katrina, there were HUNDREDS of helicopters flying. There were helos from the Polish air force (training unit based in Texas) flying there 8 hours after the storm passed.

    The number that matters is how many people in NO died AFTER Katrina passed, before they were rescued. The only ones I can find are the hospital patients that were killed by their own doctors, and a couple of heart attacks.

    The Feds weren’t responsible for not evacuating the city. Anyone who stayed did so of their own choice. The Feds (mostly the Coast Guard and the Navy) did an extraordinary job rescuing people after they’d gotten themselves in a world of hurt. There were people who were uncomfortable for longer than they absolutely had to be, but they lived. That’s what matters. Even though the Feds got caught flat footed by the levy failures, they stepped up fast.

    It wasn’t a failure. It was a miracle. Every projection of a hurricane hitting NO head on said there’d be 10,000 dead. It ended with 1/10th of that because Federal and Military rescuers did their jobs.

    I disagree with Palin and McCain on many issues. I will probably vote for Obama. But voting against Republicans because of Katrina is stuck on stupid.

  29. Fair enough. But it is what it is. People have visceral reasons for voting for President and that’s mine. It’s not my only reason, but it’s my main on.

    One of the things I find appealing about Palin is that she’s a new generation of Republican. And I like that she seems to have come right out of left field (or is it right field in y’all’s case?). That has to be good for your party.

  30. Dogwood,
    I think a more correct term is “anti-sex-unless-we-approve-the-motivations-methods-and-outcomes-beforehand.”

  31. “I thought I was doing your side a favor by saying “anti-choice” as opposed “anti-sex” since that’s what the position amounts to.”

    I’m anti-abortion, but surely not anti-sex. I believe strongly, however, that if you DO have sex, you shouldn’t be able to abort the resulting baby if you decide it’s an inconvenience. Adoption serves the same purpose (relieving the mother of child-rearing responsibility) while preserving the life of the child. I do, however, believe that abortion can be warranted in an exceedingly small number of extreme cases — life-threatening risk to the mother, for example.

    In addition, I have no problem with safe-sex education, abstinence education, condoms, birth-control pills, and most anything else that reduces unwanted pregnancies short of abortion.

    To claim that “our side” subscribes to all the beliefs of a very small subset of radicals is disingenuous. There are many pro-abortion Democrats who oppose partial birth abortion, just as there are many anti-abortion Republicans who support birth control. Barack Obama, currently the leader of the Democratic party, voted against the Chicago equivalent of the Born Alive Act. Does this mean that all on “your side” support the denial of healthcare to babies that survive abortion attempts? Of course not. To make such a claim would be dishonest and flat wrong. Don’t lump everyone on the other side in with the crazies. It reduces the value of your argument.

  32. The bar to immediate federal intervention in Katrina was the Democratic governor has to ask. Federalism requires the state to ask. Bush called Nagin several times begging him to order an evacuation and Nagin did not until it was too late. Nagin had no help from Blanco the governor. Finally Bush told Blanco she had to request federal help and she still dithered and then after more calls from Bush she made the request.

    Nagin did not follow the detailed plan for just that occurrence. Nagin and Blanco screwed up the Katrina disaster. Bush had rescue there the instant Blanco allowed it.

    For some reason Blanco did not know her job. Worst Governor possible.

    Barbour in Miss did evacuate and they had much worse damage than NO and they did not whine and let the lawless take over the city, which included NO police who looted.

    Katrina was a Democratic disaster from incompetence on both the Mayor and the Governor.

    I do not want the government to intervene on my behalf for my incompetence. Crap based on that, they could say I am incompetent to own a gun or drive a car.

    Katrina is a good idea not to vote for a Democrat for a generation not the Republican as evidence Louisiana voted in Jindel a Republican as Governor.

  33. Stan, learn to read. I never, ever said that the mayor and governor did better than the Feds. Clearly, oh, so clearly, they did not. But I still expected that the Feds would step in and, you know, save people.

    They are not allowed to unless the Governor declares an emergency and asks for help. Federalism you know.

    You might want to study our Constitution and the laws governing such issues. It is very interesting.

    BTW the Feds had Coast Guard and Navy ships standing by so once the word was given help would be on the scene. Why did Mississippi fare better? The Republican Governor acted in a timely fashion.

  34. Finally Bush told Blanco she had to request federal help and she still dithered and then after more calls from Bush she made the request.

    But Adam Sharp, Landreu’s spokesperson said this,
    “I was on a conference call with the White House,” Adam Sharp says, “where they were saying: If you want any help, you have to turn over all control of your state to the president. We won’t help until you give us control of your National Guard and your law enforcement agencies, until Louisiana becomes a federal territory. They were using this as the excuse for their delaying on the issues. They kept trying to put it on Blanco. But no governor would ever give control of her state to the president.”

    Katrina Politics

    See, that seems to me like a little more coercive than “you’ve got to request help.” And I think the point is, is that kind of a natural disaster really the appropriate time to be coercive?

  35. I wonder. If Palin was such a wonderful, easily defendable choice, why are all the Republicans here avoiding that topic like the plague. Katrina was 3 years ago folks. If you think the federal government handled it swimmingly (no pun intended), then bully for you. I’d like to hear how McCain is not a hypocrtie for basing his entire campaign on the fact that Obama isn’t experienced, then selecting someone with even less experience as his top choice (aside from himself), out of everyone in the entire country) as President of the United States (which is exactly what I VP pick is).

    Seems to me, that McCain just lost the election and you folks are desperate to talk about ANYTHING except for what Aunt B.’s post (that you are supposedly responding to) is actually about.

  36. I admit that I dont understand the Katrina sidetrack on a post title Palin, but whatever. However…

    Seems to me, that McCain just lost the election and you folks are desperate to talk about ANYTHING except for what Aunt B.’s post (that you are supposedly responding to) is actually about.

    All I’m hearing is, “My God, your Veep pick is as horribly inexperienced as our Presidential pick.

    The vice president can learn on the job, the President can’t, and yet our vice president pick still has more experience than Barack Obama.

    And second, I’ve seen a lot of shrillness on the left concerning this pick. To imply that is those on the right that are fretting (seriously, the base is juiced about this pick) is absurd, and borders on projection.

  37. Aunt B., I feel I should find a reason to disagree with some tangential point in your post, just so I don’t interrupt the flow. So be it:

    I fired a couple of guns once, and it didn’t do too much for me. Just another loud, dangerous tool, as far as I’m concerned. Still, I gained another level of respect for firearms (and those who are responsible with them). My point is that I don’t find the picture of Palin aiming a gun to be sexy. She’s a beautiful woman, don’t get me wrong, but the gun thing leaves me apathetic.

    Sorry, that’s the best I could do for disagreement.

    Concerning your estimation of her political insider-ness, how difficult is it really for an ‘outsider’ to become an ‘insider’? I think once you do as you are expected and then accept the reward, you are no longer an outsider (and that goes for both parties). For my money, there are no “outsiders” in the two major parties. If you want outsiders, join me in voting for McKinney and Clemente.

  38. I understand why folks are arguing against the Katrina mantra: it’s gone on long enough! And this anniversary is good time to finally bury that false meme for good.

    Meanwhile we have a lot of time to enjoy discussing Gov. Palin, probably at least for the next 4 years!

    Maybe you’re upset because she is so unconventional, unlike your Obama last night in his speech and his recent incarnation as a doubletalking, backsliding, Biden-picking Pol.

    To me Gov. Palin represents the heartland reality you Dems claim to represent, but can barely stand. You relegate those good people to victim status, like the convention did last night, in the form of the blue-collars introduced by Sen. Hack Biden before the Speech of Speeches.

    I’m excited about this woman, and applaud McCain’s choice.

    McCain looks to me to be the REAL one, offering REAL change. And despite your projection, your choices will be tolerated and defended, unlike the results if your side really gets its way.

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  40. I think a more correct term is “anti-sex-unless-we-approve-the-motivations-methods-and-outcomes-beforehand.

    I can’t speak for every Evangelical Republican, but personally, I don’t care why, when, where or with whom you do it with, however, if your actions create another human being, then that person has as much a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as you do.

    In other words, it is your body until such time as there are two bodies involved, then the other person has rights, too.

    And that is the core of the controversy and why it will always be a point of contention. One side sees the unborn as mere tissue to be disposed of at will, while the other sees an unborn child deserving our protection.

    It is fairly difficult to find middle ground between these two perspectives.

  41. Lee, the thing is, McCain has now declared that, of every other citizen in the entire country, aside from himself, he thinks that an incredibly inexperienced Governor is the best person to be the President (that is what a VP pick is), he not only cannot continue to attack Obama as inexperienced, but it exposes him as a horrific hypocrite for basing HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN thus far on something he’s just proven he doesn’t actually believe himself. And if he DOES actually believe it, but selected her anyways, it means he’s willing to put the nation in danger just to win. It’s not really a matter of whether or not I think Palin is experienced enough or not. It’s the fact that McCain has already stated that her level of experience (in fact even more than her level of experience) is NOT enough, and yet he’s chosen her anyhow. That either makes him a liar or someone who will sacrifice the nation’s security to win.

    There’s a loud response because the pick is a surprise. Most of us figured a man who calls his wife a c_nt wouldn’t actually choose woman as his running mate even if it were a smart thing to do politically. But here’s the kicker, choosing a female was a smart move politically. But I’m increasing realizing that passing over many respected, well-known, qualified Republican women in order to get an inexperienced beauty queen who will look nice next to her man in photo ops, is just about insulting enough to turn all but the most disgruntled of Hillary supporters off.

    Not to mention that once the right-wing realize that she vetoed a bill that would have done away with benefits for partners of gay and lesbian state employees, she’s going to find her street cred with the bigot brigade (who are already uneasy voting McCain) tarnished. Let’s see, if she can’t shore up the religious nuts, can’t bring in angry Hillary supporters, and singlehandly vaporizes the argument McCain has to use against Obama, what exactly is the benefit of having her on the ticket?

    I honestly believe that this selection will go down in history as one of the worst before it’s all said and done. Am I talking about it? Hell yeah, my guy just won. I’m celebrating.

  42. Aunt B said:

    Don’t get me wrong, I won’t be voting for any Louisiana Democrats for anything, soon, either, but the fact remains that the President should have stepped up, immediately.

    That won’t keep me from voting GOP on a local level. Shoot, if that cutie Bob Krumm runs again, I won’t be able to help myself.

    ************

    Aunt B, the president did step up, he called the mayor and asked him several times to evacuate and was ignored. He had resources ready to fly into any hurricane damaged areas. When Katrina made landfall it missed NO mostly and then severely damaged an area east of NO that was as big as all of England. By the time the levees broke, the resources on standby were already en route to that area. So faulting FEMA and the other fed agencies for not being able to switch on a dime (which would mean not helping the people in the other places) and having to spend some time rounding up additional resources for NO is, honestly, kind of ignorant and lame.

  43. nick said: “Bush IS a southerner, he is from Texas, part of the southern states, that were in rebellion to preserve EVIL slavery”

    Nobody in the REAL South considers Texas or Florida “Southern states”. They’re southern geographically and that’s about it. When you hear a Southerner speak of the South, they are NOT talking about Texas nor Florida.

    Dogwood said RE the Pill: “$20 at Walmart, hardly a financial burden. And if you can’t afford $20, then you probably don’t have the type of job that provides insurance, so that’s not going to fix the problem either.”

    Wow, where have you been? The Pill was already well over $20 in the late Eighties. When I stopped taking it in the mid-Nineties it was already pushing $30. Unless there’s been some big drastic change I doubt the Pill has not been party to inflation in the last 20+ years like everything else.

    But as for the “if you can’t afford $20″ comment, comments like that kill me. I had three well-enough paying jobs with health insurance for nearly 20 years and there were plenty of periods when I couldn’t just “afford $20″, especially the latter 14 of those 20 years when I became a one-income household instead of a two-income household.

    There have been many times in my life that $20 was a LOT of money even when I have had a decent enough job and insurance and other benefits.

    People kill me with comments like this. Get out of your glass house and learn how other people have to live sometime before just throwing around comments like that and assuming they’re true.

  44. McCain has now declared that, of every other citizen in the entire country, aside from himself, he thinks that an incredibly inexperienced Governor is the best person to be the President (that is what a VP pick is), he not only cannot continue to attack Obama as inexperienced, but it exposes him as a horrific hypocrite for basing HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN thus far on something he’s just proven he doesn’t actually believe himself.

    Actually, that’s not true. She’s held elected office for 14 years — all of them in executive positions (mayor, governor). Obama and Biden COMBINED have zero years of executive experience. Interestingly, the office of President is an executive position.

    McCain strongly believes (and has said many times) that the Presidency is not a place for on-the-job training. Obama, if elected, is not ready to lead and would require extensive on-the-job training. In fact, if he served a single 4-year term, the Presidency would be the single longest held full time job in his life. Palin, on the other hand, will be elected to the vice presidency — a job that consists mostly of on-the-job training. With Obama at the top of the Democratic ticket, the experience argument against Palin holds no water.

    But I’m increasing realizing that passing over many respected, well-known, qualified Republican women in order to get an inexperienced beauty queen who will look nice next to her man in photo ops, is just about insulting enough to turn all but the most disgruntled of Hillary supporters off.

    I’m increasingly realizing that passing over a respected, qualified Democratic woman in order to get an inexperienced black man who will look nice in photo ops and give pretty speeches is just about insulting enough to turn all but the most disgruntled of General Election voters off.

    Hell yeah, my guy just won. I’m celebrating.

    Strange. My celebrations rarely involve posting bitter, anonymous rants on someone else’s blog. What do you do when you’re NOT feeling great?

  45. Wow, where have you been? The Pill was already well over $20 in the late Eighties. When I stopped taking it in the mid-Nineties it was already pushing $30. Unless there’s been some big drastic change I doubt the Pill has not been party to inflation in the last 20+ years like everything else.

    Actually, you’re right. The pill doesn’t cost $20. It costs $9 for a 30-day supply at WalMart.

  46. Hurricane Katrina Timeline

    One of the reasons the Right Wing Noise Machine is so successful is that it operates at so many levels with very little organized opposition.

    Fortunately, there are some really good liberal (what the world outside the U.S. would call sane and fact-based) information clearinghouses out there, so these lies, distortions, and manufactured memes can be answered.

    According to the timeline linked above (assuming WordPress doesn’t devour this comment), Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco declared a state of emergency on 26 August. The fine Republican governor of neighboring Mississippi was really on the ball, though, and declared his state of emergency the next day. Both Gulf states had already requested additional forces from the Pentagon on 26 August.

    So that puts to bed the lie that Kathleen Blanco didn’t ask for help. In fact, this brings us to another whopper: though the Bush administration declared a federal emergency on 27 August after being asked by Blanco, the feds’ physical response to the developing disaster was far too little and far too late.

    All was not lost though; while the poorest and most vulnerable of NOLA’s citizens struggled to help themselves and each other out of their rapidly worsening dilemma, Resident Bush had time to cut a birthday cake with John “criticize-me-and-I’ll-play-the-POW-card” McCain on the morning of the 29th, and strum on a guitar with a country singer on the afternoon of the 30th. Condi Rice demonstrated her grasp of the seriousness of the flooding by taking a three-day vacation to NYC for shopping and “Spam-a-Lot.”

    There were a lot of good people working at all levels of government who were trying to get good things done; hell, there were thousands of volunteers willing and able to pitch in. The failures of all levels of government happened at the highest levels, and that includes the federal government. While Nagin and Blanco will always bear a good portion of the blame, it was the feds who commanded the resources that could have made a difference. It was the Bush administration that fiddled around while solid and aggressive leadership was needed. The way they responded, you’d think Katrina spoke Arabic and carried a boxcutter.

    Special note to Richard T:
    You should be a Republican political operative if you aren’t already. Like the most talented of your kind, you use a wave of positive language to say some really vile shit. I read your comment two or three times, and it still translates into “the heroic efforts of the federal government saved a lot of shiftless, lazy niggers from a fate they’d brought upon themselves, so don’t blame Bush for throwing a miracle to those ignorant, whining swine.”

  47. Great commentary from Ramesh Ponnuru over at National Review (emphasis mine):

    “The Biden pick may have shored up Obama’s weaknesses but did not do much to reinforce Obama’s strengths. Palin reinforces McCain’s reformer, anti-corruption, and maverick themes. In that sense among others it was a less defensive choice than the one Obama made.

    And that’s coming from someone who isn’t a huge fan of Palin for VP

  48. Yeah, Bryan, but the problem with that is that it’s going to turn out that she wasn’t exactly a reformer anti-corruption politician. I think that Palin’s biggest problem is that she’s going to seem utterly okay. Folks will dig up some dirt–probably along the lines of the rumors we’ve heard already, that she wanted the bridge to nowhere before she realized it wasn’t going to be paid for with all out of state money and that she tried to have her seemly scumbag brother-in-law fired–but I’d be surprised if there’s more to it than that.

    Except for the fact that she’s a woman, she’s utterly unremarkable. And so you have to ask yourself–is the fact that she’s a woman going to be enough to move the Clinton supporters right?

    And here’s where I am not sure. On the one hand, there are women who are still angry enough about Clinton to seriously consider throwing their weight behind any other plausible woman candidate.

    On the other hand, what I don’t see in this choice is an understanding on the part of the Right that Clinton’s appeal is not just that she’s a woman, but that it’s her whole story. It’s that she was clearly always the better choice than Bill (I don’t agree with that, I’m just repeating it), but that she put aside her personal aspirations so that he could have his shot, and then, after all she did for him, he humiliated her, in public. And then, at a time in her life when most women are shoved aside and out of the public eye, she became an important senator and waged a hard fight for the Democratic nomination.

    For the Clinton supporters, it’s not just her they identify with, but her story, as if her candidacy was one big sing-along of “I Will Survive.”

    Unless the Democrats really fuck up–and lord knows it’s very, very possible that they will–and base their attacks on her on her gender, how is she an acceptable substitute in that narrative?

    It’s not just the gender of the candidate, but the gendered struggle of that candidate that’s important to the PUMAs. I’m not sure McCain gets that.

  49. all of them in executive positions (mayor, governor)

    I think that ought to be their campaign slogan “Vote Republican: City of 9,000, Country of 300,000,000: Same difference!”

    I’m increasingly realizing that passing over a respected, qualified Democratic woman in order to get an inexperienced black man who will look nice in photo ops and give pretty speeches is just about insulting enough to turn all but the most disgruntled of General Election voters off.

    Considering that last time I recall seeing you post here you were suggesting that the problem with this country was that illegal immigrant women weren’t sucking your dick, I hardly think ANY woman is “respected” by you. As far as the rest of the General Election voters, time will tell I guess ;-)

    Strange. My celebrations rarely involve posting bitter, anonymous rants on someone else’s blog.

    Different stroke for different folks. Though my “rant” was neither bitter nor anonymous.

    What do you do when you’re NOT feeling great?

    Generally if I’m not feeling great I go to the doctor? What do you do?

  50. Richard t: Thank you for serving in Katrina and for setting the record straight.

    Dolphin: I don’t think Republicans are avoiding the issues re Sarah Palin. Some are celebrating. Some are just now learning about her. I’m more of a libertarian, and I like what I have seen so far. She is a doer, very obviously, with a wide range of experience, including 8 years of executive experience in government. True, we usually elect governors with more executive experience to the presidency. We do not usually elect Senators because they lack that experience no matter how many years they have spent deliberating. No Presidential candidate has chosen The Best Person To Be President ( other than themselves) for VP. They’ve chosen one of many who could help them win. Time will tell if Palin is up to competing at this level, but I would not bet against her.

  51. Well as a Alaskan I would have to say that it was a shock to have this happen, but a damn good one.
    Dispite all the negitave things going around, Gov. Palin has been awesome.
    I have seen her at many hockey games. She has allways shown great public relations, when talking with her she shows real interest in what you have to say and does not just blow it off.
    Yes there are things that are said about her but that won’t stop the support she has here.
    She will be a great Vice President.

  52. Except for the fact that she’s a woman, she’s utterly unremarkable.

    Substitute “black man” for “woman”, and you’ve got Barack Obama in a nutshell. And he’s the headline on that ticket.

    More seriously, you make some valid points about Palin not being enough to move Clinton supporters. Remember, though, that she doesn’t have to move many. Converting 2-3% of Democratic women may shift the election — especially in swing states like Michigan, Virginia and Pennsylvania, where many wives will identify with Palin and her blue-collar, union-member husband.

    While Clinton’s supporters are partying to “I Will Survive”, what happens if Biden comes across as overly condescending in the VP debate? What happens if Obama has another “Sweetie” moment? What if media pundit criticism comes across as crass or sexist? What will the Clinton supporters think then? Will their identification with the subordinated woman transfer from Clinton to Palin if Palin is seen as wrongly aggrieved by Obama, Biden or the media? I think the Obama camp is aware of this potential pitfall, but they still had to quickly back away from from their initial “hair-trigger” criticism of Palin.

    It’s not just the gender of the candidate, but the gendered struggle of that candidate that’s important to the PUMAs. I’m not sure McCain gets that.

    Again, I agree. However, the possibility of siphoning off some of the ex-Clinton bloc is not Palin’s only potential upside. She’s already gone miles toward galvanizing the conservative base around McCain. James Dobson has endorsed McCain/Palin after refusing to endorse McCain alone — and this endorsement will be seen by millions of evangelicals as the most important criterion in deciding who to vote for. Rush is calling her a “babe”, amongst other things. Reportedly, McCain raised over $3 million in the 8 hours following her announcement — without holding a single fundraiser. While none of those things will help McCain with Clinton supporters, energizing the base will go a long way toward victory in November.

  53. I think that ought to be their campaign slogan “Vote Republican: City of 9,000, Country of 300,000,000: Same difference!”

    How about: “Obama-Biden: Because everyone knows community organizing = president, right?”

    Alright. We can snark back and forth all night, but I’ll be exhausted and I’m not sure anyone else here would enjoy reading it. Bottom line, I think that Palin’s got at least as much relevant experience as Obama. In addition, I think that the McCain/Palin ticket got the order right — experience for president, fresh new face for VP. You may disagree. Heck — you may even be right. I guess we’ll find out in a couple of months.

  54. Nope. Even if she were a man she would be remarkable. She would not have been McCain’s choice for VP though. I think McCain knows that most of Hillary’s supporters will not vote for him because he put a woman on the ballot. He knows that most of them are Dems more than they are Hillary supporters. He also knows there is a large group of independents who will support Palin for the same reason they would support Hillary – she is a strong woman; a fighter who has no fear of competing against men.

  55. She is also the only candidate, for P or VP who has presented a budget, defended it and taken the grief for it.

  56. Re Texas as the South….SOME Texans ARE Southerners. Those from the Eastern part of the state are as Southern as I am. Some Floridians (espeically those from around the North of the state) are culturally Southern, too. Bushes – George and Jeb qualify on neither count.

    Anyway, I think Palin was a crafty choice. She seems to have a lot of integrity and from what I’ve seen so far, seems to be a respecter of good governance and constitutional government. What I most admire about her is her willingness to take on corrupt machine politics in her home state.

    I agree with some of those who say a sexist media and ANY further sexist slips by Obama/Biden could galvanize support for her by Clinton hold-outs. I am one and I am thrilled by the choice – and I feel my reluctance to fall in line is part of the reason she’s there. I feel I’ve already succeeded in making my point. I don’t agree with much of her ideology, but I think having a woman on the ticket is a great thing. Is that enough to make me vote for her? No.

    But should she get the crap treatment that Hillary Clinton got, then that will make me think twice. So y’all go on just saying she’s a “pretty face” or diss her many accomplishments in her relatively short time in political life. Say she’s a sell-out to women (she’s not, I just don’t agree with her). The more crap that’s piled on her the more attractive she becomes to me.

  57. Vol Abroad, are you saying that if the media (which is, although it tends to tilt a bit to the right these days, outside the control of either party) treat her as they treated Clinton you’ll vote Republican? Or are you saying that if progressives point out that while she’s anti-graft she’s happy to abuse her authority as part of a nasty divorce in her family, we’re piling on? Or that it’s sexism to note her anti-choice positions? That strikes me as odd.

  58. I think my problem with arguing that anyone is “qualified” to be president or vice-president is that, really, who is? What job, except being president, would actually prepare you to be president? It’s a convenient way to slam your opponent–as being unqualified–but I don’t think it tells me much as a voter.

    It could very well be that being mayor of a small town in Alaska–with the wide variety of constituents you cannot hide from–is as good a qualification as being a Senator. Who knows? Some of our best presidents have seemed wholly unqualified for the job and some of our worst sure as hell hit the ground running knowing what they were doing.

    I think she’d be a bad choice for vp because she’s anti-choice and doesn’t seem to believe in science. But I’m convinced she’s an excellent choice for VP, for all kinds of reasons.

    And, yes, Bryan, I completely agree and am well aware that the Democrats seem, this campaign cycle, to be constitutionally unable to not say sexist, jackass things, and so I am very, very concerned that they won’t be able to mount a campaign against McCain/Palin that doesn’t make me have to vote Green.

    I think it’s an enormous problem.

    Especially since, though we’ll for sure see sexist things on the side of the Right–I think you already see hints of that in the folks who think she shouldn’t be governing with a small child at home–but nobody expects any better out of them.

  59. My biggest hit by far yesterday was people looking for pictures of Sarah Palin’s boobs. Draw your own conclusions.

  60. On the one hand, there are women who are still angry enough about Clinton to seriously consider throwing their weight behind any other plausible woman candidate.

    Where are these women? I haven’t been able to find any. Everyone talks about them, but I haven’t been able to find even one. Do they actually exist? Can someone point me to one?

  61. It’s not just the gender of the candidate, but the gendered struggle of that candidate that’s important to the PUMAs.

    There’s another one I haven’t been able to find an actual example of. Can anyone point me to one?

  62. Thanks for the source — I’ll look again later. My initial read of the first half dozen posts and a few dozen comments didn’t come up with any examples though.

    I did see posts pointing out that the record of the first women veep in office may now fall to the Repubs rather than the Dems, but I didn’t see anyone saying they’d vote for any plausible woman candidate.

    I saw a lot of what I’m seeing elsewhere — if your values are anything like what are supposedly the traditional Dem values, Palin is no good.

    So far the only people I’ve been able to find who are truly thrilled that Palin is a woman that they personally get to vote for are white men so far buffered behind layers upon layers of privilege that they truly think they’re doing great things for the future of women everywhere by supporitng her, no matter what her actual policies or record are.

  63. The argument of who has more experience Obama or Palin is a stupid one. Granted, I think running a town of a few thousand is less relevant experience than dealing directly in national level politics. I tend to think the level one deals at is a bit more important than the branch (ie, if I want to hire a deep sea fisherman, I’d rather have someone with a lot of experience in sailing versus someone with experience tapping animals). Maybe I’m wrong, but in reality it doesn’t matter.

    I’m actually in the camp that believe less is more in experience for President. The President has advisers that make or break the running of the country. A fresh look at things is advantageous to coming up with new and better ideas. As I’ve said from the beginning, I LIKE inexperience in a presidential candidate. The point here though is that McCain has based his entire campaign on an “inexperience is bad” message and now he’s invalidated it. He’s only got two months now to rewrite the script and start his campaign over from scratch. If “inexperience” is an attack phrase, now that McCain can’t use it against Obama. Of course neither can Obama use it against Palin. But who’s campaign is hurt more, the one that loses their entire message against the head of the other ticket, or the one who loses a message they never really had in the first place against the second in line on the other ticket?

  64. Helen, I had a meal with one last week – who referenced some friends of hers in agreement with the intention to vote McCain despite being life-long Dems. But, I don’t think she’d appreciate me giving anyone her name and contact info just to prove she exists. She said “I think a woman should get the job before any other non-white male regardless of experience.” I just don’t get that and thought her supposed reasons for this (“women are half the population” and “sexism is worse than racism”) don’t defend the point at all and just make things worse.

  65. Goodness, can you say “itty bitty series of tubes”? The first person quoted in that article Dolphin linked to is a guy I went to high school with. I didn’t even know he was back in St. Louis. (BTW, @Carol, I’m not sure how spending the majority of my life in Missouri and Tennessee means that my values aren’t “heartland” enough. Care to explain?) I realize that this is a complete thread derailment, and I apologize.

  66. She has executive experience and even got more done to correct the overspending in Alaska and turned a deficit to surplus in 2 years. So she gets more done than other governors who are in power for several terms.

    She is apparently a natural leader. Mayor to Ethics panel to Governor is a very short time span.

    As a conservative she is small government, pro drilling in ANWR, pro second amendment, pro life, fiscal conservation and cleans up corruption.

    This woman did not get support from the GOP since she went after a GOP incumbent and won. She is not riding on the coattails of a relative to get political power to be Governor. She literally became a Governor on her own efforts and merits. She must be good to do that bucking her own party.

    So she is good on domestic policies and as good as some prior presidential candidates on foreign policy, which means none. She can learn. VP is a position that is on the job training.

    However her family and her are in for a surprise in the meanness of national politics.

  67. Okay, one more thing. If it looks like I’m rubbing it in, it’s only because the facts have a well-known liberal bias:

    What is McCain Thinking?

    The Perennial POW is going to need a huge assist (bigger than the one he’s been getting) from his pals in corporate media if he’s going to survive this.

  68. She has executive experience and even got more done to correct the overspending in Alaska and turned a deficit to surplus in 2 years. So she gets more done than other governors who are in power for several terms.

    well, if this experience of hers is so very important, shouldn’t she be the presidential candidate and McCain be running for her vice?

  69. She’s been mayor of a small town and has had a cup of coffee serving as governor of a state less populous than Memphis. She’s running with a guy who met her exactly once before he hired her to be President of the United States in the event that he died in office. Neither of those facts scream “the ticket of experience and sound leadership” to me.

  70. The fact she is a woman doesn’t mean that she stands for anything I do. While I’m glad that we’ve come far enough to have a woman and racial minority on two opposing tickets, tokenizing either of these candidates is wrong. If TN doesn’t become a battle ground, I’ll vote green. If it is, I’ll go with the dems, simply because their beliefs are closer to mine, even if they seem to forget most of that the moment they come up against opposition.

  71. @ bridgett: Saw comment the other day over @ Crooks & Liars. “Yay! Now there are 3 boobs on the Republican ticket!”

    Re: the whole “executive experience” canard. Ummm. McCain has no “executive experience” either. So, unless you’re suggesting replacing him w/ Palin @ the top of the ticket . . . Consider also Rove’s comments about the “inexperienced” Tim Kaine, who Rove thought was getting the VP nod from Obama. Kaine was on Richmond City Council for 4 years, Mayor of Richmond for 2 years, Lt. Gov of VA for 4 yrs, & Gov. of Va for almost 3 yrs. If he has more “executive experience” than Palin but is still too “inexperienced” to be VP according to Rove, what’s that say about Palin’s “experience?”

    For me, the pandering was so unquestionably blatant that it displayed an utter contempt for women. That women voters are somehow too stupid to see the pandering & will simply vote w/ their vaginas. I was trying to think of an analogy for the level of contempt I see in the selection of Palin. Best that I could come up w/ is that it’s akin to McCain giving the women voters in the US a facial. Crass? Yes. But I see the same level of contempt in both.

  72. @ bridgett: Saw comment the other day on Crooks & Liars. “Yay! Now there are 3 boobs on the Republican ticket!”

    Re: the “executive experience” canard. The problem w/ arguing “executive experience” is that McCain doesn’t have any either. So, unless you’re suggesting replacing him w/ Palin at the top of the ticket, it’s an inane argument to make. Also consider Rove’s comments about Tim Kaine’s “inexperience” when Rove thought Kaine was gonna get the VP nod from Obama. Let’s see . . . Kaine was on Richmond City Council for 4 years, Mayor of Richmond for 2 years, Lt. Gov. of VA for 4 years, Gov. of Va going on 3 years now. When one also factors in population of both Richmond & VA as compared to Wasilla (sp?) & AK, Palin’s “executive experience” pales in comparison.

    For me, the sheer level of blatant pandering in McCain’s selection of Palin displays an utter contempt for women. That they’re somehow too stupid to see the pandering & will simply vote w/ their vaginas. I was trying to think of an analogy for the level of contempt I see in the pick. Best I could come up w/ is that it’s like McCain just gave all the women voters in the US a facial. Crass? Yes. But I think the contempt displayed in both is the same.

  73. In addition, I think that the McCain/Palin ticket got the order right — experience for president, fresh new face for VP.

    You’re contradicting yourself Bryan. You’ve already said that executive experience in the only thing that matters. McCain has none. So it’s the GOP order (in your view) more like “Not much of anything to offer or President, fresh new face and minor experience for VP?”

  74. Helen, just to make sure you get that there are lots of these women out there, here’s a quote from Saturday’s NYTimes “Can You Cross Out ‘Hillary’ and Write ‘Sarah’?” “In the most recent New York Times/CBS News poll, conducted Aug. 15-20, 22 percent of voters who said they had voted for Mrs. Clinton in the primaries say they now support Mr. McCain, while 61 percent back Mr. Obama. Among the women who voted for Mrs. Clinton, 17 percent say they support Mr. McCain, and 63 percent Mr. Obama. (The rest were undecided.)”

  75. Professor, those numbers suggest that men (fewer than half of all voters for Clinton) are far more likely than “those [bitter]* women” (who voted for Clinton) to have voted for Clinton and switched to McCain. By one-third. I don’t think anyone questions that there are voters who will make that switch; I think we’re questioning whether the switch voters are feminists who can be persuaded to switch in greater numbers by putting a woman on the ticket.

    *I know that “bitter” isn’t your word. It is, of course, the word we’re supposed to figure out from this narrative.

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