Nathan Moore Makes Me Laugh

Every once in a while, I consider whether I should respond thoughtfully to Nathan Moore’s posts, not all of them, mind you, but you know, the ones that make me think.

Like today, he has a post about why radical Muslims hate us.  Okay, thought-provoking enough concept.

But it contains this:

The best way to defeat your enemy is to understand him. If American and Western leadership refuses to accept the truths about the showdown between our culture and the culture of the caliphate, the war will continue and more lives will be lost.

Yes, that’s so funny, I’m going to post it again:

The best way to defeat your enemy is to understand him. If American and Western leadership refuses to accept the truths about the showdown between our culture and the culture of the caliphate, the war will continue and more lives will be lost.

See?  If Moore’s not even going to go to the effort of resolving the disparity between “the best way to defeat your enemy is to understand him” and “showdown between our culture and the culture of the caliphate” why should I go to the effort of responding thoughtfully to his post?

But, hey, in general, I’m a nice girl, so let’s at least address this nonsense:

One of the distinctions between the Right and the Left regarding the ongoing war with Islamic fundamentalism is the cause the underlying the conflict. The Left seems to believe that our presence in Iraq and elsewhere is “breeding” terrorists – as if the primary reason for Islamic fundamentalism’s penchant for terrorism is a reactionary one. It’s a “blame the West” mentality. The Right, in marked contrast, believes that the actions of Islamist terrorists are at their very source religious, compelled into action by a belief structure absent any sort of real world prodding by free people.

This is a concise overview of the problem.  Too bad it’s so inadequate.  Let me explain to you what the Left (in general) believes.

We believe that there is a dangerous strain of fundamentalism in the Muslim world and that said dangerous strain of fundamentalism doesn’t like the West because we’re a bunch of over-educated, irreligious, good-time-having, decadent, pigs who’ve granted women too much freedom* who are ruining the world with our sinful frivolity.  We believe, in general, that they’re right–that we are a bunch of good-time-having, decadent, freedom-loving, slutty women loving, frivolous pigs.  We just happen to believe that those are good qualities to have in a society.  We also believe that most people in the world, if given an opportunity, will strive to be educated, slightly frivolous, good-time-having, somewhat decadent freedom-loving folks.  We don’t believe that you can force that on people, but you can tempt them into it.

We don’t believe that we’re going to change the minds of those dangerous fundamentalists.  They are a dangerous annoyance we must kind of tolerate (while enabling the authorities to track them down and arrest them) in order to live how we like living.

We believe that there is, at least, one other group of Muslims–folks who, in general, don’t wish us harm and, in general, like the influence of the West, even as they worry that said influence is moving people away from God and proper Islamic practice.

When we talk about our presence in Iraq breeding terrorists, what we mean is that our continued presence there convinces these wary Muslims that the fundamentalists are right about the West, at least in some regard, and so people who would not otherwise act against us feel pressured by our presence and our behavior while present to act against us.

This is not a mind-set that’s impossible to understand.  Any of you with sincerely-held Christian beliefs have probably felt that some of what fundamentalist Christians say makes sense, even if you disagree with the degree to which they take their beliefs.

We need to win those hearts and minds–the devote Muslims who aren’t fully on-board with the fundamentalists, but who are afraid that the fundamentalists might be right, that we are at war with all of Islam.

We’re not.

As for why Moore cracks me up, he begs us to understand our enemy, but he refers to it as an “us v. caliphate” situation.  There hasn’t been a Caliphate since 1924.  But maybe understanding that part of Islam isn’t part of what Moore’s proposing.

*For fun, take a look at the Pure Life Revolution website and see if you can see if they disagree.

5 thoughts on “Nathan Moore Makes Me Laugh

  1. I don’t know. With the whole “why Islamic fundamentalists hate us” thing, I’m always torn between “we’re too heathen” and “we’re too Christian.” Although from their perspective, that might be two shades of the same hue.

  2. It amazes me that anyone of a (presumably) sound mind can look at the reality that we’ve had troops in the middle east for some SIXTY YEARS, interspersed with many a period of bomb-dropping shenanigans and the occasional involuntary “regime change”, and then say with a straight face that these things have nothing to do with why “they hate us”.

    Because, ya know, we’d be totally cool with it if the situation was reversed.

    I tend not to bother arguing with such people because the cognitive dissonance they’ve long accepted is too overwhelming for silly things like common sense to get in the way.

    Sure, as you point out, there are fundamentalist religious nutjobs in the mix as well. But they’re just the pawns & cannon fodder. Their leaders use religion to control & motivate the “simple” folk on the ground.

    Just like ours do.

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