Attention Gun Nuts, Your Help is Needed

I should just warn you ahead of time that this is a disturbing post and, in it, we will be discussing someone’s possible murder. 

You know, it’s times like these when I’m glad to have gun nuts who read me.  I only wish Say Uncle wasn’t on vacation.

So, here’s the deal.  Some footage, supposedly from Minutemen down guarding our southern border has appeared on YouTube.  I saw two of the clips over to David Neiwert’s.  Both clips appear to have been taken by the same person.  The first one shows, or purports to show, him taunting some Mexicans as they cross the border, talking about how he wishes he could kill them, and then him firing his gun.  The second one, which I watched yesterday before YouTube took it down, shows him, or purports to show him, shooting and possibly killing someone he claims to be an illegal immigrant.

I, not being a gun nut, can see lots of ways that these could be fake.  There’s no way to know if these were actually filmed at the border.  There’s no way of knowing if anyone was actually hit.  And the “grave” at the end of the snuff film is clearly added for cinematic value.

Here’s my question for you, gun nuts. Is this legitimate footage?  I don’t mean for you to answer whether I really watched a man get killed.  I mean, from a gun nut standpoint, what am I seeing here?  Is the camera hooked to the gun scope?  If so, can that be done?  Is that really what footage would look like or would we get a whole screen and not just a round window?  Do you see what I’m saying?

To me, who knows little about guns, this looks to me like what I’d expect to see if I looked through one of those fancy scope-thingies, but I don’t know that that’s what a camera would see.

That’s where I could use your help.  Is this real or is this fake?  Not that we can say definitively, but I thought we’d have a cross-range of people who could lend some interesting opinions.

Now, I hope it goes without saying that, real or fake, making films like this is–that claim to be real–and posting them on the internet is a terrible thing.  If someone died, what you’re watching here is plain evil.  If Minutemen-like groups are making these videos for their own amusement, it really is going to just be a matter of time before someone thinks that this is what folks in the Minutemen are supposed to do and someone gets killed.

8 thoughts on “Attention Gun Nuts, Your Help is Needed

  1. ok, first off, the round green fuzzy picture that the first video begins with isn’t a gun scope. that’s somebody holding a night vision monocle (light amplifier) up in front of a camera. the footage could, of course, have been shot anywhere.

    and i’m not hearing any audio, just for the record, i’m just seeing the picture. computer issue on my end.

    there are ways of taking video footage through actual gun scopes; but the simple, easy ones aren’t good and the good ones are neither simple nor cheap. i can’t think of a way to take such footage, and be able to fire the gun with anything remotely resembling accuracy, for less than a few thousand dollars’ worth of fancy video hardware. (i might be wrong about that, but i don’t think i am. also bear in mind that that sum could be in reach of some of these minutemen people; good night vision scopes aren’t cheap, either.)

    towards the end of the first video, starting at about a minute and a half from the end, you can see a few sudden, bright flashes of light here and there in the image. i don’t know what the soundtrack may or may not be saying at that point, but those flashes are almost certainly meaningless noise. light amplifiers are prone to such glitches.

    before that, at about 2:20 from the end (why’s the video timer count down, anyways?) there’s another similar flash in the middle of what looks like a scene change, just as the two people largely disappear from view. judging by the video alone, this could be anything — up to and including a deliberate scene cut.

    the second video is no longer available. judging only by mr. Neiwert’s summary, it too could be anything. real people hit by rifle bullets do not actually “fly backwards”, but if i thought i was being shot at with a rifle, i’d certainly back away hella quick.

    if these videos are in fact what they purport to be, then we have us one particularly stupid murderer on YouTube. if they’re staged, however… well, frankly i’m not sure if that wouldn’t be in some ways worse.

  2. You need video experts, not gun experts. This is the sickest sort of racism around. It doesn’t have to be a full blown holocaust for a people to remember that they were targeted for no reason at all. There will be repercussions.

  3. I agree with previous posters that you need video experts here, but I agree with Norm that it’s not shot through a rifle scope, but through a night vision monocular.

    Whether it’s real or fake, it’s just about equally disturbing.

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