How Nice for Child Molesters

So, this seems like good news for child rapists.  See, if you seduce and raped children who are here illegally, especially if you run away with them to Mexico, the Feds will refuse to let your victim back in the country and may deport his whole family.

But, hey, we can take solice in the fact that he deserved it for being in the wrong place at the wrong time; or for using our tax payer dollars to attend school in the first place; or for being here illegally; or, you know, whatever.  And we can take solice in the fact that, once news of this gets out, folks will be less likely to report incidents of abuse for fear of being deported, thus using even less of our tax dollars on investigating things like this.

Great.  Let’s just have a whole underclass of people with no legal standing and no legal recourse and let’s just let every corrupt corporation and evil jackass prey on them while we all sit back and wring our hands about whether they don’t deserve it just a tiny bit because they or their parents came here illegally.

That will be good fun and totally moral!

13 thoughts on “How Nice for Child Molesters

  1. There is so much to this i don’t like. Sure, the obvious outrage is that they would keep this boy in mexico, and deport the whole family, just because they can. And I don’t for a minute want that forgotten, or trivialized.

    But I am somewhat troubled by this rush to call this woman a rapist. Clearly, she took advantage of a youngster and should be called to account, but the word rape, at least to me, is implicitly violent, and i don’t see any violence here. To think this troubled woman may forever be labeled a “sexual predator” just really bothers me. She should not be teaching, she definitely needs counseling, and perhaps a stint in jail as punishment, but I’m sorry to say, 13 yr old boys today ain’t the same as 13 yr old boys of yester-year.

    The whole damn thing is ugly, but I have no doubt what the larger crime is…

  2. Bullshit.

    Whether she does it because she’s a malicious pervert or a weak-willed troubled person doesn’t negate that she’s a sexual predator. Shoot, it was almost as if the federal statute was written for her, “Transportation With Intent To Engage in Criminal Sexual Activity.— A person who knowingly transports an individual who has not attained the age of 18 years in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any commonwealth, territory or possession of the United States, with intent that the individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 30 years.”

    Throw her in the hoosgow.

    Mack, you’re making the definition of rape too narrow. Rape is when a person has sex with another person without their consent. A thirteen year old cannot legally consent to have sex with a 25 year old. This may seem unfair to these 13 year old boys you think are so different than the 13 year old boys of yesteryear, but it’s for their own protection.

    It fucks kids up when people in positions of power and authority over them take advantage of that power and authority in order to exploit those kids for their own ends. Not always irreparably but again, we don’t call something “rape” based on how damaged the victim is. And it’s wrong for teachers to fuck their students.

    Think of it this way. Imagine it was his male coach who had spirited him off to Mexico. Would you still assume that the coach was just troubled?

  3. Exador, because clearly this is about how men are harmed by our bullshit expectations of what male sexuality looks like, such that we can’t even recognize the victim of a crime when he’s standing right in front of us, or, in this case, when he’s standing on the other side of the border.

  4. I’m wondering why such an eloquent woman feels the need to start her rebuttal with “bullshit.” Where does the discussion go from there? Its the second time you’ve done this to me. We can avoid having the discussion if you’d prefer, but you put it out there, and I answered in a heartfelt manner, in no way intending to offend.

    Anyway, I am aware of how the statute reads. I don’t want to derail the thread, so I probably shouldn’t have brought it up to begin with. To me, there is a true crime here, and the misguided love affair between two people ain’t it. Of course the kid is a victim, no one is disputing that, B. Tell me which is more harmful to this kids overall happiness, the fact that he had a sexual relationship with his teacher, or the fact that he is not allowed back into the only country he knows?

    People do weird things. We arbitrarily set this age where everyone is supposed to act like a grown-up. It doesn’t always apply. I’ll bet this woman truly thinks she loved him, and, if that is true, all bets are off with respect to what people will do.

  5. All right. Fine. I’m sorry about the “bullshit” but it shocks and scares me that you’re willing to understand what this woman is doing as a “misguided love affair.” I should have expressed that, rather than just reacting from shock and fear.

    But she’s 25. He’s 13. She’s twice his age. She’s his teacher. So she didn’t physically overpower him, but instead seduced him. It doesn’t make what she’s done any less vile. I mean, come on, child rapists all the time manipulate their victims into “consenting” so that the kids won’t fight back or tell others and will continue to go along with it.

    And, dang, to me, to sit back and ask whether it’s worse that he’s been groomed and sexually exploited by a teacher or if it’s worse that she caused him to not be able to return to the only country he knows… well, I don’t know how to answer that. It seems to me that both things she did to him are pretty shitty.

    I mean, how can you even posit this in terms of love? If she loved him, she would have waited five years to fuck him. If she loved him, she wouldn’t have put him in a position where he might never be able to get back into the U.S. If she loved him, she wouldn’t have endangered his family.

    Nothing she’s done suggests that she loves him, just that she’s found an especially compliant victim.

  6. Good post B. This illustrates why I believe it is bad policy not to assimilate illegal immigrants in our country. I oppose deportation both on the grounds that that it would be cost prohibitive and because it would drive illegal aliens further underground. That’s unhealthy. By having to “stay in the shadows” it increases the liklihood that this group of people will be subject to all kinds of abuse. Bad people can use the threat of a report to the authorities to coerce all kinds of behavior. By all means control the border, but let’s work to assimilate the people here in an effort to prevent all kinds of shenanigans.

  7. I guess you are assuming that since piracy introduced you to this music that it was outside the realm of possibility that you may have encountered it through other means.

    13 year old boys, whether today or of yester-year, will largely put the pee-pee anywhere that feels good. That makes them easy targets. The hormones do the bulk of the seducing work for the perpetrator.

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  9. B, (popping back in to eat lunch) I’m sorry, I just don’t equate seduction with rape. Vile? OK. I just want the word rape to count. I doubt for a single second that this 13 yr old boy felt threatened.

    As to “it” being love, i didn’t say it was mature love. Just because a person has reached a certain chronological age, doesn’t mean that person attains anything close to maturity. She is no rapist, IMO. She probably did not begin this school year prowling for an underaged victim. This is why i object to the term predator. A betrayal of trust, or taking advantage of one’s position of authority are both undesireable, but I just hate to see it elevated to the same level as violence. Remove the stigma, and hell, the focus on the sexual angle, and you have two immature people “running away from home.”

  10. Yes, but then, Mack, by your definition, it’s not rape if, say, a man has sex with a semi-conscious woman. After all, that’s not violent. Or if he can coerce her into going along with it. Again, I just think the definition of non-consensual sex is and must be what it is. And he can’t consent to have sex with her.

    He can run around having sex with all the other 13, 14, 15, even 16 year old kids he can talk into it. And no, I agree, I doubt he feels like he’s the victim of something terrible. I doubt he’ll need years of therapy to recover from this.

    But so what?

    Here’s another thing. If he is equally culpable, then he’s going to have to live for the rest of his life with the knowledge that his actions ruined things for his whole family and may result in getting them all deported and that he ruined his chances of ever getting back here to his friends and family.

    But he’s just 13. He clearly didn’t think of the repercussions of his actions and probably couldn’t. That’s why no one is blaming him for the jam he’s in and the jam his family’s in.

    She, on the other hand, is 25 and in a position of authority. Yes, it sucks for her that she was too immature to handle the authority placed in her, but that’s the breaks. If she doesn’t want to fuck men her own age, she has men from 18-24 to choose from.

    We all have to put our loved ones in the care of others from time to time. The social contract is such that when you put your kids in my care, I keep them as safe as I can and I don’t do anything to them that might–MIGHT–harm them. I don’t get their ears pierced. I don’t take them to get tattoos. Shoot, I wouldn’t take your daughter to get her hair cut, even if she begged me to, because she’s your kid and, even though I believe she’s more than capable of deciding whether or not she wants long hair, it’s not my place to make that decision with her.

    Is having sex with his teacher going to harm this kid? Okay, probably not. It might, though. And even if it doesn’t, parents trust their children to teachers with the understanding that the teachers will not do things that might harm the kids.

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