My brother is probably one of those people who “essentially” essentially pays no taxes. At the end of the year, he gets back pretty much everything he’s put in because he makes so little.
And yet, every paycheck, the government still takes out a chunk of money he could have used that month and he’s got to make do without it.
Meanwhile, the government gets to do with it what it likes.
My brother doesn’t get his money back plus interest for the time the government had it until it figured out that my brother didn’t owe it to them.
No. He just gets back what they took out of his check. The interest goes wherever it goes.
He doesn’t deserve any relief from that?
God, really, it’s as if conservatives cannot stand the idea that someone, somewhere, might not be suffering as much as possible.
Bleh.
Sorry. I’m just fed up today. My whole google reader was full of stuff from those on the other side of the aisle which could be summed up thusly:
First Post: Hey everybody, think on these wise words of Rev. Martin Luther King
Next Post: Those dirty, nasty brown people are sneaking into our country to hog our jobs and make it so my efforts to move out to the suburbs to get away from the non-white people is thwarted by the brown children my children have to go to school with.
Over and over and over again.
I just about am sick from the cognative dissonance.
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Nitpick: You do realise that the W-4 is set up so that you can claim whatever number of dependents you need to claim in order to break even on the year? You can even have them withhold an exta amount every paycheck if claiming “0” is not enough.
No one who is paying attention has to pay at the end of the year, or get a refund. If either happens in a given year, you adjust your W-4 accordingly.
I wish our system was set up so that none of this hoop-jumping was necessary.
But the only way to fix that would be to have some kind of flat tax or national sales tax. And, of course, they are evil, so I’ve heard.
Slarti said what I was going to say about upping Butcher’s dependents on the W-4.
ALTHOUGH….I still favour (and prefer) the idea of a tax bill instead of withholding. I think people would care more if they had to write a big check every year.
Also, it would fix the problem of hoop-jumping (vis a vis Slarti) without a flat tax or a nat’l sales tax.
My heart bleeds for his plight. What a drag getting back what he paid in taxes without interest.
Oh, the humanity!
From “the other side” (i.e. someone who’s economically conservative), I just wanted to point out a few things:
-not all of us are pro-taxation on income
-the same problem exists with gub’mint healthcare (your taxes would pay for that, too)
-you’re paying sales tax, anyway, and if you knew where it was going (this would, obviously, require some honesty in the government, which we’ll probably die waiting for, but bear with me for the sake of the argument), I’m willing to bet that you wouldn’t mind paying a bit more just to have your entire paycheck in your hands at the time you earn it.
I used to be a staunch liberal, if there is such a thing. So I know where you’re coming from, and being “one of those people” myself (I think I made $2000 last year, if that, all in temp jobs), I totally commiserate with the “holy shit, why even GIVE me a paycheck?” mentality, particularly since I can’t really claim but one exemption on my W-4 (for not being anyone else’s dependent).
I guess my point is that yes, something needs to be done, because the system sucks, but we’re not going to get it done by blaming one party or another, or by ADDING taxes, which is all that universal health care and other “feel-good” programs would essentially do – everyone pays those taxes, even the poor – and it wouldn’t be fair to only tax a certain income bracket, because no one really has any idea how that money came about, just like you can’t assume the reason why someone’s poor, or why immigrants move into this country (see wat i did thar? har har).
That’s my soapbox for the day.
What’s the story on that puppy? Find a home for her, yet?
What Slarti said.
Tax conversations were never rare at my house as my dad worked for the IRS. My parents even taught us each how to fill out W-4s for our first jobs. They let us decide if we wanted “the government to invest our money where they wanted it” or if we wanted to risk owing the government later and how to find a safe balance between those two choices. That was the language used – exactly your dilemma. My parents would be proud.
Most people think there are rules governing W-4s, but there really aren’t. You can fill out whatever you want. The rules govern your tax liability, and the W-4 is designed to help you meet that as accurately as possible. But you should trust yourself more than that simple form. Of course, trusting oneself requires good education, and we’re rarely taught about taxes.
A tax bill would likely go unpaid by many low income workers. Fact is, most people lack the ability to budget. My evidence? An entire country wallowing in debt. Personally, I wish the Govt would throw collected tax money into some interest bearing account. (hell, I don’t know if a portion does go there, but there may be legalities)
I would happily let the Govt have my money for a period of time interest free.
I am completely against this rebate. The poor and undisciplined will blow it and be in no better position than they were. Many others will pay down debt, and still another group will just park it in some account.
I’m all for cutting spending first and foremost, as long as it is done across the board…that is, the defense budget is tightened up along with everything else. As I have stated before, I love the SS tax. Adore it. I want to marry it. But I’d like to see it viewed by most folks as an opportunityto insure that older workers, once they are no longer viable as workers, have a small income to help them live on. I wish people who don’t need the assistance would opt-out, but thats not likely…
Sorry for the rant, but like Exador, I ain’t cryin for the Butcher’s plight. He has options.
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I didn’t say I was crying for the Butcher, either. I’m simply saying that there are a lot of people who–though they may end up with their money back–are still putting money in, making do without it, and it is what it is.
I think these tax rebates are stupid because they, as always, aren’t really that much money to anybody. The three hundred dollars I got last time was nice, but it didn’t change my life.
Eight hundred dollars will be nice this time, but, yeah, I’ll use it to pay down some debt and that will be the end of it.
Give me ten thousand dollars, now we’re talking an amount that could change my life.
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i’ve heard persistent rumors that overstating the number of your dependents on a W-4 is actually some sort of crime, just not one normally prosecuted unless the IRS finds reason to go after you anyway. i dunno how true that is, but personally, i wouldn’t add more than one or two to the “true” number just in case. maybe i’m just paranoid, but…
and yeah, no tax rebate i could possibly get would make any dent in my economy either. by the time i’m paying enough taxes that a rebate might matter (yeah, as if i’ll ever!), it won’t any longer since my income will be sufficient anyway.
I claim 2 dependents on the W-4 (have zero), and this year, I estimate I will owe the IRS $77.
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Nomen, seeing that my father investigated tax fraud for 25 years and taught me that there’s no law against writing any number, I recommend you do a little more research before believing such rumors. It is true that if you underwithhold by too much and owe the government a substantial sum of money at the end of the year (well, actually at the end of any given quarter) – I don’t know the figure but it’s a few thousand dollars – then you have to pay penalties in addition to the regular bill. The W-4 is an estimate only anyhow.
I have a suggestion for those who are really burnt up about paying into the commons. There is one country on the planet which is completely tax-free.
I got yer tax-free paradise right here.
I’m not sure you can get a one-way ticket there, but there are most likely ways to sneak across the DMZ. In the meantime, I’ll keep happily paying my taxes while my wife and I plot to relocate to a place where we can pay even more. (Of course, in this place we also know that no matter how sick or hurt we get, we’ll be able to get good medical treatment without selling our daughter into slavery.)
Shorter Aunt B: Republican moron A says that poor people don’t pay tax, because he doesn’t quite grasp that some people get tax taken straight out of their pay check before it gets paid into their bank accounts..
Shorter Commenters: Bah, poor people only pay taxes because they’re lazy and aren’t willing to randomly break the law to avoid getting the money they all make from market speculation taxed.
Also they can’t budget and are lazy and they shouldn’t be given tax rebates because they’ll only spend it on mentos and diet pepsi and paying back their debts like some kind of lazy good for nothing debt payers, the bastards.
Seriously, everytime I come around here there’s always a 50/50 chance that I’ll get to see the paramilitary wing of the society for creative anachronism performing an out of key rendition of Rear Admiral Smith Authur Paul-John III’s famous Requiem For John Bull And The British Empire on kazoos. It’s quite awe inspiring.
they’ll only spend it on mentos and diet pepsi
Or weed.
Present company excluded, of course.
Shorter The Professor: Yes Nomen, you are correct that the IRS will go after your ass for making a false claim on the W-4 if they are also going after you for something else. My father agrees with you.
Can you post the Samuel L Jackson “english, do you read it motherfucker?” picture on wordpress? What’s the code for that?
Nice try, Mildred. The rebates are being sold as a short term stimulus, and, if people bank it or pay down debt, it really doesn’t do what it is supposed to. Also, will they not have to repay this ‘rebate” next tax season?
the paramilitary wing of the society for creative anachronism
I’ve got friends in the SCA, and I can tell you that any paramilitary group they field will be very debonair, what with the swords and the shields with the very personal but incorrect heraldry on them and all.
The rebates are being sold as a short term stimulus
So then the rebates will, instead of being paid to the banks who have the government in their pocket, actually be paid to the retail companies who have the government in their pocket, meanwhile the rebate constitutes only a teeny tiny fraction of what is actually taxed, and is also lacking the interest the tax accumulates, which itself amounts to thousands of millions of dollars in aggregate.
At the moment the economy is a complex shell game designed to prduce a not particularly convincing illusion of circuses to cover over the far greater illusion of bread.
Purge with fire.
I have a very funny story to tell about my first exposure to SCA. In my short stint at MTSU in the 80’s, I’m walking to the dorm (back then it was called “H” hall), and as I pass the outdoor basketball court, I see a sight so bizarre, at first it didn’t even register.
Two people were dressed almost exactly like the Black Knight in Monty Python’s The Holy Grail, and they were beating the hell out of each other with homemade “swords” (I think one of them was made out of a broomstick, but I tried not to stare too closely).
Later, I described this experience to a friend of mine, who happened to belong to SCA, and explained it all to me. She even took me to one of the meetings. I probably should have joined – here were people even geekier than I.
That’s still one of the funniest memories I have.
I spent an embarrassing amount of time thinking that the SCA was some sort of swingers club for people with role-play fetishes.
(ahem) It can be that, too. They throw some wild parties. In fact, if you’re going to attend a party full of people you’ve never met before and want to be sure you have a great time anyway, be sure that the folks hosting it are either SCA or Trots.
Suicide Human Cannonball brigades came to mind.
That’s probably just me though.
So as not to derail the thread: those witholding guidelines are guidelines, not rules — it’s perfectly legal to have $0 witheld, or even not to pay your quarterly estimated taxes, if that’s the way you do ’em. If your yearly taxes are high enough, you will end up at the end of the year paying an extra $15 or so as a penalty for not having witheld enough/paid the quarterly est. tax. That may be more than you would have earned in interest on the taxes you didn’t pay, for many of those participating in this discussion, but it can be more convenient that way.
Thanks, nm, that’s right. Neither I nor my father agree with NN. I don’t know why R Mildred thinks we’re the ones who can’t read. R Mildred, in trying to make things shorter you’re making them incorrect. Sometimes shorter isn’t better.
well, hell, it’s not as if i didn’t preface my rumor-mongering with “warning: rumor” in plain english. simple fact of it is, i have neither the time nor the inclination to become a tax accountant — much less a tax lawyer! — before deciding what to put on my W-4, therefore like most folks, i’ll have to make the best unenlightened guesstimates i can based on the contradictory and unreliable information i hear rumors about.
so i was technically wrong about this detail. (assuming, of course, that we’re trusting the second-hand dinner table talk of a seemingly since-retired IRS bureaucrat more than some other random hearsay…) nevertheless, the practical consequences for people who either trust, or don’t trust, either one of the rumors appears to be the same; fail to withhold enough, and you’ll pay at least some amount extra. call me an ignorant hillbilly for failing to see the difference, i guess.
As someone who has worked in a corporate payroll department for the past two years, I can concur that yes, you can write whatever you want on the w-4 and that there are lots of free calculators out there to help you figure out exactly what you should be withholding (www.paycheckcity.com is the one I refer our employees to) so that the govt doesn’t get to make money off your ransomed wages.
Church Secretary, I loved the link about tax-free North Korea. Next time someone whines about paying taxes (people who can afford to and probably get all sorts of tax-breaks because they’re rich and educated and can pay someone to find them for them), I’ll let them know they can always move to North Korea.
It’s an interesting point — where I currently live, “people who don’t pay tax” translates to “people who pay a lot of sales and property tax”.
On the SCA stories side, I used to know a bunch who would dress up in medieval armour and play paintball over 300 acres of woodland. One day the six-year-old son of a player stole one of the armbands designating an active player, put it on, rolled his sleeve up over it, and sat in the sandbox playing with his dump truck all day, listening to the screams in the distance and watching the occasional maniac run past. At the end of a long day, he saw his uncle coming down the path.
“Hi Uncle C! Didja win?”
“I sure did, son, I sure did.”
“No you didn’t,” and the little bugger pulled a paintball gun out from under his dump truck and blasted his uncle, who couldn’t stop laughing for a week.
The trick, in our economy, is to find those tax rates that allow for continuation of government services, without inhibiting growth. That’s really all we should be shooting for. Using the tax code to stick it to certain people, or encourage certain behaviors, is a postition that belies an ignorance of human nature (and basic economics that even I understand), so I don’t think those reasons should be considered when looking at tax policy.
What burns me is that I think that economists and politicians know where that equilibrium lies, they just play around with the tax code for political benefit.
Marginal tax rates were simply too high in the 70’s. I don’t know how anyone can even argue for a 90% tax rate. Reagan’s tax cuts corrected this, and probably overcorrected a little. The Bush I tax hikes, although they cost him reelection, probably put things back in equilibrium. By the way, this equilibrium is what the Lafer curve is all about.
Anyway, time passes and we have a downturn that would have happened regardless, and Clinton raises taxes even more. The economy rebounds as it would have done anyway with the dot-com boom, and Clinton takes credit. The 8-or-9 year cycle drags on, and a downturn happens that would have happened regardless. Bush II cuts taxes (essentially putting things back to where they were at the end of Bush I’s term), a rebound occurs that would have happened regardless, and Bush takes credit for it.
We are now facing another downturn that would have happened regardless, and the cycle starts all over again. I swear, I think the two parties have some kind of agreement to take turns raising and lowering taxes, always hovering around the rates under Bush I, and each taking turns taking the credit.
…on people for whom even 10% of their gross earnings come out to more money than your average middle class drudge’ll ever see.
it’s easy to argue for a 90% tax rate. just ensure that taxation never becomes so heavy as to cap maximum net income at any given level — i.e., ensure that earning more money gross will always result in retaining more money net, regardless of tax rates — and i’ll argue for a 99.9% tax bracket if you’d like.
Seriously, everytime I come around here there’s always a 50/50 chance that I’ll get to see the paramilitary wing of the society for creative anachronism performing an out of key rendition of Rear Admiral Smith Authur Paul-John III’s famous Requiem For John Bull And The British Empire on kazoos. It’s quite awe inspiring.
This made me laugh so hard I about can’t stand it. I had to see it again in this thread, just because it tickles me.
> you will end up at the end of the year paying an extra $15 or so as a penalty for not having witheld enough/paid the quarterly est. tax.
I underpaid last year (my spouse is in a lower income bracket on paper, but of course all of her income is really taxed at our combined-income bracket rate). As I recall, the penalty was something in the neighborhood of $300, not $15. This penalty kicks-in if the amount that you owe at the end of the year is >= 10% of your total income tax liability.
You can probably find the formula somewhere, but don’t surf the withholding expecting to pay a $15 penalty, unless you are sure.
IC, thanks for clarifying. It has never been more than a $15 penalty in my household, but that has been for under-pre-payment of FICA, not of income tax. I wasn’t aware that thee penalty was so much higher for income tax proper. Good to know.
VERY useful tool link at the IRS.gov page.
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/page/0,,id=14806,00.html
Tool is down right now, but will be back after adjustments have been made.
Aunt B,
You’re a moron. Did you know that your brother can adjust his witholdings on his w-4 to essentialy break even? Probably not, because you’re brain washed into thinking that republicans are at fault for the plight of your brother.
Why doesn’t your brother go back to school and learn a trade and work his way up the ladder like MOST people? Then he can make more money so the DEMOCRATS can redistribute it to others who make less and don’t deserve a refund.
Fact – Top 50% of earners in this country pay 96% of the Federal taxes!
Fact – The bottom 10% pay close to nothing and some STILL get a refund for doing nothing other than having more children than they can financially afford.
You’ve got a lot to learn about how the world works! Now go back to studying so you can pass your next liberal indoctrination test at the college you attend.
Fact: I just got BINGO on my angry dittohead card.
Oh, Jason, you’re so right. You’re big brain is only eclipsed by the size of your magnificant penis. Never before in the history of my blog have I had a commenter as wise as you.
Please, marry me and take me away from all this liberal indoctrination.
Or are you one of those morons making less than $100,000 a year who runs around protecting the interests of the rich people you’ll never join?
I noticed you didn’t answer my question. Was there a reason for that?
Because you acted like an asshole? Just a guess.
Wow, B, are you denigrating someone for making 5 figures? How quickly the libs eat their young.
Which question were you dying to have an answer about, Jason? You asked two. I assumed they were both just angry rhetorical questions designed to put me in my place.
Exador, I don’t remember giving birth to Jason, but if it means I can claim him on my taxes, I’ll take him in, no problem. I think, though, that it’s clear that I wasn’t denigrating someone who makes five figures. I was denigrating someone who makes five figures and fights for the privileges of the rich. That I find hilarious.
My wife and I are on the threashold of of income level where we would not qualify for the rebate, but we plan to get there someday. Don’t you?
You speak of rich people like everything has been handed to them on a silver platter, when if fact most upper-middle class, upper class people have went to college and worked hard to get where they are. And what’s wrong with having privliges from being rich? Most people aspire to be rich someday, but it’s the ones who have given up and decide it’s to hard to work for that secretly envy those who have earned it. Instead, they assume everything has been handed to them and resent their success.
Do you think wealth redistribution is a good thing?
Jason, your host is currently sitting in a hospital waiting room waiting for her father to come out of heart surgery. Show a little courtesy and give it a rest. There will be other times and other threads to impress us all with your mastery of the unsupported quantitative statement and the leading question.
Was that a quantitative statement? I thought it was an unsupported factoid, lacking informational context (like what proportion of taxable income the groups you mention earn) that might, say, tell us something quantitative.
I think he was trying to make a quantitative statement (“most”) but did it very badly.
Perhaps he is one that “have went to college”?
I apologize to Ann. I wish you and your father the best.
i can’t speak for B, but i certainly think so. who doesn’t? more to the point, why aren’t they living as hermits in a cave somewhere?
society is built on mutual cooperation and the idea that the strong not only will, but should, protect and assist the weak for the benefit of the group. that’s how all social animals live, really. in societies that use some kind of currency (human ones) this implies wealth redistribution. that’s really a huge advantage; sharing one’s money is a lot less cumbersome than sharing actual time, effort, or more tangible resources, the way most non-human social animals have to.
the alternative is to not live in a society; then you won’t have to share your wealth with anybody. how many hate taxation so much they pick out a hermitage for themselves in some wilderness, eh?
Sure, I don’t mind paying some taxes for those not able to work, and those who are disabled.
I DO mind paying for career single mothers, illegal immigrants, frivolous law suits, and those not willing to work.
Democrats help those who won’t, (not can’t) help themselves and they do it with your money.
Democrats help those who won’t, (not can’t) help themselves and they do it with your money.
Don’t forget: As a citizen of the U.S. of A., you are free to leave for whatever tax-free paradise you can find, at ANY time. Don’t let anyone stop you, you rugged, individualist, you! I hear some guy named Bremer set up this flat-tax paradise, somewhere… maybe I can get you a brochure.
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Oh Jeebus, the parable of The Hermit and the ExPat.
Today must end in “Y”.
I want to live in a country where people are rewarded for hard work, not compensated for laziness. If that’s the direction you are comfortable with then why don’t YOU just move to a socialist country?
Don’t forget: As a citizen of the U.S. of A., you are free to leave for whatever tax-free paradise you can find, at ANY time. Don’t let anyone stop you, you rugged, individualist, you! I hear some guy named Bremer set up this flat-tax paradise, somewhere… maybe I can get you a brochure.
Somehow I knew you were a lifer in the acedemic society. Live in the real world for a decade or so, and then form an opinion of you own.
Can’t bootstrap yourself out of this liberal paradise of high taxes and media bias? So much for rugged individualism. I always figured it was the bluster of braggarts, anyway.
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done. the tax structure in this country effectively guarantees that a greater gross income will always leave you with a greater post-tax net.
of course, that isn’t perfect — there’s no guarantee that harder work will always result in greater gross income. in fact, some of the people with the greatest incomes in this country turn out hardly to work at all. but life ain’t perfect, and this is as close to your wish as you’ll get in the real world; you’ll just have to deal.
this one’s the toughie. i strongly suspect that you’re working from a definition of “laziness” (and/or “compensation”) that makes this an impossibility, short of your becoming an hermit.
which, y’know, is actually possible, after a fashion at least. build yourself a cabin in the Alaskan wilds and reduce your income to below taxable levels; your income will no longer be “compensating laziness” no matter how you define those terms. the rest of us will, but i guess we’re just stupid that way.
but if you want to retain any significant post-tax net income, and avoid “compensating laziness”, then you’ll have to be much more specific and careful about what precisely you mean by “compensating laziness”. and, depending on just what it is you mean by it, it may not be possible for you to get that dream of yours. human societies don’t necessarily work the way you might wish them to work, simple as that.
Why is it when a simple question is asked, some obvious, acedemic, wordsmith, turns the issue from black and white to the entire spectrum of reflected wavelengths?
Too many people trying to impress each other with their writing skills.
because the world isn’t all black and white, so simple questions sometimes have really complicated answers.
The answers are simple. People who rationalize make it complicated.
the question is about the workings of human society, meaning implicitly the ways in which large numbers of humans do or should or wish to live their lives. if you think anything is simple after that gets involved, you are just about guaranteed to be wrong.
The ways in which large numbers of humans do or should or wish to live their lives should result in consequences for their actions. Choosing not to work should result in poverty. Choosing to have to many kids should result in having to work that much harder to succeed. Choosing to spend your income on booze and drugs should result in no savings for retirement.
Doesn’t have to be complicated.
Is that how you would raise your kids? Would you give them more money if you knew they were spending it on booze? Would you let them live in your house forever because they refuse to work? Would you continue to support your daughter financially if she continually had unprotected sex and had five different kids and did not know who the fathers were?
Is that how you would raise your kids?
No, man — I’m arming my kids, droppin’ ’em off outside gated communities, tellin’ ’em if they wanna eat, they need to kill some of the selfish fuckers inside and take their food, of course.
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Once again, silly jokes from someone who is in dire need of acceptance by members of his progressive acedemic social group.
Do you know what is really sad? How, if confronted with an ounce of truth, a college liberal will somehow rationalize the issue until it fits the mold of what he has been taught by his liberal professor. Who, by the way has probably gained tenure and sits in his world of acedamia with no fear of ever having to wait in the unemployment line.
Wake up Jeffroman! You’re being indoctinated!
Forget I said that. Judging from the color of your hair, it is probably you who is doing the indoctrination.
silly jokes
Oh, just proving that I can match you, cartoon caricature by cartoon caricature. Try me! Let’s hear about Cadillac-drivin’ welfare queens, eatin’ filet mignon! Islamofascism! Nazis!
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What do you do for a living?
You speak of those things like they are a joke and not to be taken seriously. But the whole idea of serious political argument is just a means of you to use witty, well thought-out quips and punchlines, isn’t it?
You are a frog in the boiling pot. You are delusional and completely unaware of what’s happening around you. You do not understand human nature beyond your social group and will be one of the first to die when our enemy exploits your pacafistic, weak character.
The pedulum will swing the other way soon and your progressive, socialist, liberal viewpoints will have been proven wrong. There is a silent majority of conservatives in this country that will eventually prevail.
There is a silent majority of conservatives in this country that will eventually prevail.
Yeah, well, um… good luck with that, okay?
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Can you say Ronald Reagan?
Can you say Ronald Reagan?
Yeah. I can even spell “academic.”
Still, you’re talking about worm food. We had his mouth filled with rock salt, and his lips sewed shut. He ain’t comin’ back.
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Trivial cheap shots.
He woke the sleeping, conservative giant. Exaclty what will happen after Hillary or Obama turns this country upside down.
He woke the sleeping, conservative giant.
Well, you have nothing to worry about, this November. Sleep well, friend!
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I am a self loathing liberal. I am to afraid to try at success because I fear failure.
I cannot succeed in life, so I resent those who do and blame them for the plight of the poor and homeless.
I am not capable of seeing the evil that exsits in this world and am easily tricked and exploited by those who know this.
I believe everything the media tells me because I am completely unaware of the obvious bias.
I am to weak to confront and judge those who need to be judged, so I rationalize their behaviour and make excuses for them.
I believe rich people conspire to keep people poor, so I cannot accept that most poor people that way because of bad judgement and decisions.
The conservative branch of government is responsible for the negative reputation of the country, so we bend over backwards to lend comfort to our sworn enemies.
We will see, won’t we?
We will see, won’t we?
Absolutely.
Btw, I know why you can’t leave here for somewhere with lower taxes.
There’s nowhere outside the U.S. where Republicans aren’t hunted down and clubbed for their pelts.
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See link for his used joke.
http://jprestonian.blogspot.com/
Lame, dude.
You never answered my question. What do you do for a living?
This is what I do every now and then to keep from boiling over sometimes.
You never answered my question. What do you do for a living?
You never answered mine: Why the hell don’t you leave the U.S., since it’s a bastion of liberal heathenism, and you could pay less taxes elsewhere?
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This is what I do every now and then to keep from boiling over sometimes.
Another victim of “abstinence-only” education.
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“this” being serially posting disjointed single sentences rambling around a point without connection to objective reality?
hey, whatever floats your goat, man. but if i were you, i’d get a different hobby.
Wow, that’s the strangest wankfest I’ve seen in a long time. Ok, who wrote the wankfest ‘bot?
Ok, who wrote the wankfest ‘bot?
:lol:
Love You More Than Food©.
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Oh, Christ Jesus, people. If you want me, I’m in the ICU, and frankly, after this, I’m not coming back to this thread. I’d really appreciate y’all doing the same.
“this” being serially posting disjointed single sentences rambling around a point without connection to objective reality?
Wow, how many visits to the web dictionary did it take you to formulate that sentence?
Liberals = educated dummy’s
You’re all helpless.
I’ve vented enough anyway.
Goodbye :-)
Did no one catch this?
(B, don’t even bother your pretty head about this. We’ve got your back. And hopefully “Goodbye” REALLY means Goodbye.).
Jason writes:
But also says:
So, basically:
1. A college education is a noble pursuit and makes someone worthy of success as long as one is an “upper-middle class” Conservative.
2. Poor Liberals who don’t go to college are lazy and deserve their lot in life for not getting educated.
3. Poor Conservative who don’t go to college should be respected for trying to work hard without giving into the Liberal brainwashing of academia.
4. If one, however, is a Liberal who goes to college, one’s education means absolutely nothing, and any show of that education is laughable.
5. Liberals are all blinded by the conspiracy of those dirty, hippy professors.
6. Conservatives are apparently able to filter some sort of tenuous truth from those liberal academicians (how dare they try and tell us how to spell that word??!!!) who are otherwise lying sacks of deluded shits.
OK.
Got it.
Good to know.
Hey, it’s not my fault if you wanted to major in the liberal arts.
At least liberals know they’re full of &%it. They just rationalize till it fits their mold. That’s all that matters to me.
jason, let your yea be yea and your nay be nay. more importantly, have the integrity to let your goodbye be goodbye, because going back on an “i’m leaving” sign-off line makes anybody look juvenile and petty.
(i should know, i’ve had to eat a few of ’em myself. it’s nearly impossible to do with any grace at all. better not to conspicuously “leave” in the first place, if you can avoid it.)
…oddly enough, too, i never use a dictionary while writing. i’ve read enough i don’t need one, and i’m lucky enough not to be dyslexic. didn’t need any education for it, either, just a large bookshelf and a library card; usually the only errors i make these days are briticized versus americanized spelling and some looseness of grammar. i seldom even proofread my posts.
(and that, jason, is a demonstration of “gloating”. just continuing your education in rhetoric, courtesy of the school of hard knocks…)
I finally got it; someone fed a wankfest tone poem through BlogWarBot.