Oh, Thank God! Dozens. Honey, We’re Safe. Put the Kids Back Outside!

Tiny Pasture links us to this ridiculous editorial in the City Paper.  I quote for you the best part (and by best, I mean, most painfully funny).

The local application of the 287(g) law flies in the face of that lazy, even dangerous, status quo. Sheriff Daron Hall is getting the brunt of the anger for this program, but he is to be commended. With 3,500 illegal immigrants deported, including dozens of gang members, the local use of this federal law is doing what generations of Washington politicians would not. [Emphasis mine.]

I keep waiting for someone, finally, to see what is so clear.  Daron Hall is a genius.

Since Davidson County became Metro Nashville, there really hasn’t been a whole lot for the Sheriff’s department to do, except run the jail and pick up bulk trash.  Nothing heroic anyway. 

But now?  Now the Sheriff’s Department is saving us from “dangerous” illegal immigrants.

Never mind that most dangerous illegal immigrants we see in Middle Tennessee are either drunk drivers who should have been off the road and in prison years ago or gang members who are pretty damn effectively eluding capture.

I mean, seriously, folks.  Seriously.  We’ve had 287(g) for how long now?  And the best the City Paper can come up with is that we’ve deported dozens of gang members?

I think we all know what dozens means, probably around thirty.  If it were more than that, they’d say “Almost 50” or “almost 100” or hundreds or something that sounded less pathetic to make even more obscure the truth.

But the truth is that, thanks to the Sheriff and his 287(g) program, the police of Nashville now have the most awesome busywork ever. 

They get to go around rounding up and arresting people who are, far and away, non-violent ordinary folks who pose no danger to the community or the police and as long as every once in a while they also manage to round up a “dangerous gang member” (or someone who seems like they maybe might once have been a dangerous gang member) or two (let’s say, one a month, so that in two years we’ve captured “dozens” of dangerous gang members and gotten them deported), they are celebrated as solving the “problem” of illegal immigrants in our community and Hall is a hero.

Everyone looks busy, everyone stays busy, but the job gets a lot less dangerous.

The question you have to ask yourself, Nashville, is this: While the police in this city are busy looking busy, are you actually any safer?

33 thoughts on “Oh, Thank God! Dozens. Honey, We’re Safe. Put the Kids Back Outside!

  1. A criminal is a criminal and these immigrants bypassed normal channels and are here illegally. They are criminals the same as any other criminal. They deserve whatever punishment the law allows. The LAW says deport them.

    You don’t like the law? Run for office and change them.

  2. I think you miss the point Get real. The point is, the officers don’t generally know that people are criminal until after they get them to jail. So they’re arresting a lot of folks for stupid shit that white people would get a warning for. Just in case they’re illegal.

    And to get a little closer to B’s point…. whiel they arrest people for driving without a license, just to find out if they’re illegal, people involved in serious criminal activities are being overlooked.

    Given a choice, I think I’d rather the violent criminals get arrested rather than the guy who snuck into the country but works hard and is otherwise a law abiding citizen. Or a woman who snuck over the border so she could get better medical care and education for her kids.

    Sure it’s the law. But when you only have limited resources it’s better to try and fix the more serious problems first. Like the guy having a heart attack getting into the Emergency Room while the guy who sprained his ankle playing tennis waits.

    So Get real, are you tough on immigrants but soft on crime?

  3. I think you miss the point Get real. The point is, the officers don’t generally know that people are criminal until after they get them to jail. So they’re arresting a lot of folks for stupid shit that white people would get a warning for. Just in case they’re illegal.

    I know you addressed this to “Get Real”, but since I wrote my “I love 287(g)” comment at the same time you were writing yours I think I need to defend my POV on this.

    1. Yes I think current immigration law is very flawed and needs to be changed.

    2. It is still the law.

    3. Before 287(g) was widely enforced in Metro Nashville we had no streamlined way to deport those who were in this country illegally. Which, according to the law as it stands now, is within our rights. I’ve read several opinion pieces even HERE about how the govt wastes all of our money on ICE and doesn’t get anything done. Well, here’s a chance to get a lot done for a little money.

    I’d sure like to see some statistics on how many people detained as suspected illegal immigrants are then proved to be citizens or other types of legal residents and then released.

    I’d also like to see some statistics that back up the claim made by opponents of 287(g) about Hispanics jailed for driving w/o a license vs. Whites jailed for driving w/o a license.

    Up to now all we seem to have is a lot of anecdotal evidence.

  4. Kat, I’d also like to see those stats. I know the husband had an expired license when he was in a recent car accident, and all he had to do was show up at court by a certain date with a new one and the whole thing went away (except for the court costs). But again, that’s just another anecdote.

  5. I’d also like to see some statistics that back up the claim made by opponents of 287(g) about Hispanics jailed for driving w/o a license vs. Whites jailed for driving w/o a license.

    These stats have been released many imes. I don’t currently have them, but you might search Hispanic nashville.

    It isn’t the law thats the trouble, kat. Its the application, with NO civilian oversight that I dislike. Introducing this program into the area during a time of heated immigrant rhetoric was bound to lead to abuse by uniformed officers.

  6. Mack, thanks for the info – will go look, b/c I’m guessing they’ll provide some insight into the application that you speak of.

  7. Or a woman who snuck over the border so she could get better medical care and education for her kids.

    That very nice of you, W. Perhaps you’d be willing to fund the cost of it. Personally, I’d prefer not to.

  8. Rachel, I’ve seen them, during my stint on the Advisory Council.

    BTW, nothing about this program is “low cost.” In addition to the thousands of man hours wasted processing non-criminals through the system, there is the housing, and deportation costs to consider. Some of those sent back have already returned!

    Its a complicated matter, (immigration enforcement) and chock full of potential abuse, and there are way to many families suffering because of it.

  9. Maybe that guy having the heart attack is waiting for all the illegals who are “just there to get better medical care”?

    Sure seemed that way in Gainesville’s ER.

  10. I just emailed John Lamb, so hopefully he’ll chime in. But I think, if I’m remembering it right, they’ve caught and released just over 1,000 folks who are here legally, so, if the City Paper’s numbers are right, one in four folks put through the whole process to be run against the 287(g) list are here legally.

    My point, and I hope it’s clear by now, is kind of two-fold. One, our immigration system is fucked. These folks cannot come here legally and that is a problem. But, two, people who otherwise come to the attention of the police are supposed to be run through 287(g) once they get to the jail.

    The police are not supposed to be out there arresting people who are doing stuff they otherwise would not get arrested for in order to feed them into the system. That, to me, is bullshit.

    And it’s busywork. It gives the police something non-dangerous to do that keeps them looking busy and like they’re accomplishing something without putting them in contact with the people who are actually making out fair city unsafe.

  11. These folks cannot come here legally and that is a problem.

    Why is that a problem? Does this country OWE entry to everyone in the world who want to come here?

  12. Or a woman who snuck over the border so she could get better medical care and education for her kids.

    That very nice of you, W. Perhaps you’d be willing to fund the cost of it. Personally, I’d prefer not to.

    Actually, that sounds like a pretty worthwhile thing to fund.

  13. Exador, that’s a problem for the same reason the “war on drugs” is a problem; there’s no really good reason to have either law, and enforcing them creates far more headaches and trouble than they’re worth.

    i’m not saying “let just anybody immigrate willy nilly”, nor am i saying “let there be PCP given away in candy stores”. i’m saying “since employers want cheap migrant labor, let’s run a guest worker program”. i’m saying “since lots of people are going to smoke pot anyway, the smoking of which seems no more harmful than tobacco — possibly less — and clearly less harmful than alcohol, let’s not waste time incarcerating them”.

    and yeah, universal healthcare sounds like an excellent thing to fund. i’ll gladly increase my taxes by an amount equivalent to what i’m currently paying for health insurance, if that will get me guaranteed government-provided coverage of equal extent.

  14. Oh, NN, we have so much common ground. I’m actually in favor of a guest worker program, and ending the war on drugs. Although we’ll have to agree to disagree on the commie healthcare thing.

  15. I thought you were the invisible man, Sar.

    A related note: a friend of mine is getting her nursing certification in Gainesville. It requires a second language study. She is deliberately NOT take spanish because she has seen first hand that whatever nurse speaks spanish, that’s ALL that nurse does all day; run around acting as an interpreter.

    She chose japanese.

  16. Ha, just another male actually leaves a comment that is not just a cut and paste of the last comment he left! Will wonders never cease? But, after looking at that site, I am convinced, we must just go ahead and deport all men. Apparently, y’all are too big a risk to the safety of the rest of us for us to bother keeping you around.

    I, for one, will miss how nice you smell when you’re clean, but clearly it’s a sacrifice that must be made. So long, dudes. If you go willingly, it will be easier on you.

  17. Exador, you got your talking points out nicely, but I wish you’d quit ignoring context when you quote me.

    That very nice of you, W. Perhaps you’d be willing to fund the cost of it. Personally, I’d prefer not to.
    Actually, what I said was that we should fund the police catching violent offenders rather than piddling around dragging in people who ‘might’ be illegal immigrants. I didn’t say I approved of her methods to get her kids educated, I just said I look more kindly on her actions than, say, a rapist that the police could be catching. Hell, even ticketing speeders is probably better than spending an afternoon taking a pregnant lady to jail since she might have done something illegal.

    <i.Maybe that guy having the heart attack is waiting for all the illegals who are “just there to get better medical care”?
    Actually, in my analogy he was getting treatement because a heart attack is pretty fucking serious. If there was an illegal who just came to the US for better medical care and then had a heart attack, then by all means let him see a doctor.

  18. You two need to make a version like this of those stupid yogurt commercials – “It’s like, “Battlefield Earth” suck.”

  19. Was Highlander I good? Never saw it.

    Whats weird to me…I recently made the kids sit and watch Alien with me…they were not the least bit scared. They laughed when the alien popped out of that dude’s stomach. I remember how damn scary and intense that movie was…perhaps it is tame by today’s standards.

    Predator was a horrible movie, I imagine Pred vs Alien was even more sucky.

    Does anyone but me remember a movie called “Southern Comfort”? It came on recently, and I watched it several times years ago. Terrible, overwrought acting, but a great premise and some great music toward the end. I was glad to catch it again.

  20. Southern Comfort the tranny documentary or Southern Comfort the Deliverance Goes Cajun ovie from the late seventies?

    They both had bad acting.

  21. Aren’t sequels sort of, at least in practice, routinely not as good as the original? I think the gold-plated turd award needs to go to “Next of Kin.”

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