Rarely is Roger Wrong, but He’s Wrong Right Now

Oh, Roger, I’m glad to see you’re back.  We were just talking about you on Wednesday and missing your grand political insights.  So, I’m sorry to have to school you completely on your latest post, since each post of yours is a rare treasure, but school you I must.

First, allow me to roll on the floor laughing.

Instead of being a member (or whatever you call it) of the Weather Underground, suppose instead that he was a member of a group that bombed (or wanted to bomb) abortion clinics [emphasis mine]

You mean like Dobson and his ilk, who get wined and dined by just about every major Republican politician and some of the Democrats, so that they can show they care enough about “Christians” as if Dobson is some kind of Protestant Pope?!

Republicans all the time consort with people who advocate for abortion providers to receive the “death penalty” however it might be handed out and those people are treated like mainstream Evangelicals whose opinions on all matters must be taken seriously and taken into account.

Second, Ayers would have remained in relative on-the-lamb obscurity if not for prosecutorial misconduct by the Feds similar to the kinds of unconstitutional bullshit going on today, so if you want to start pointing fingers at who let Ayers back into polite society, start pointing Right.  And let’s be clear–he is now a member of polite Chicago society (as such can be said to exist).  This isn’t the equivalent of John McCain sneaking into the North Carolina mountains, leaving word with someone down to the post office to go leave a note in the crook of some tree, so that McCain and Rudolph can meet back behind the Walmart dumpster and discuss McCain’s political future.  This is Obama serving on a board with Ayers, a board a lot of folks served on, and seeing Ayers socially because they ran in the same circles, circles also heavily populated by Republicans.

There’s a two-fold problem as I see it.  One, for better or for worse, midwesterners tolerate a lot of bullshit people in the other part of the country don’t tolerate and this Ayers crap either has or is going to turn a lot of midwesterners off.  You do not hold someone accountable for the actions of his friends and neighbors in the midwest.  What you’re up to is your business; all we ask is that you put it aside long enough so that we can work together to get the shit we need to get done done.

I can’t begin to express how incredibly rude it would be to refuse to serve on a board because you disagreed with the politics of someone else on it (but in fairness, it would be perfectly acceptable to serve on that board with them and then passively aggressively work to undermine and ruin them, just trying to be even-handed).  Or to leave a place because someone whose values you repudiated showed up.  That would be seen as a sign of aggression.

Though it seems that the Right would only be satisfied if Obama had punched Ayers upon introduction to him.

Which brings me to my final point.

It seems to me like the biggest problem is that there is a growing gap between conservative values and non-conservative values (leaving aside liberal values just for a second).  The non-conservative stance that the majority of Americans seem to prefer is “Do what you want as long as I don’t have to give a shit.  But once I Have to give a shit, we’re going to have to have a problem.”

The conservative stance seems to be “You must be like us, or we’re going to have a problem.”  Most people in America do not give a shit about Ayers.  The only people he managed to kill were folks from his own group.  The government couldn’t even keep its nose clean long enough to wage a successful prosecution against him.  And it was 40 years ago.  I think most of America thinks “Who fucking cares?”

Listen, as a hippie liberal commie quasi-lesbian dog marrying god hating abortion slut bogey woman of Tennessee conservatives everywhere, I actually do feel your pain.  I have a lot of pet causes I want people to give a shit about and see the larger picture about and understand the deep and important history of.

But they don’t, because either it doesn’t directly affect them or they can’t see how it directly affects them.

I find this aggrevating, and I imagine you do, too, but it’s just a fact.  Acting as if it’s our fault (us being the liberals) for not accepting your framing of the Ayers situation and also getting on board with the calls for his repudiation, or his re-repudiation, completely overlooks the problem.  We’re not the ones who don’t give a shit.  I mean, look, I just wrote 1000 words about Ayers.  Clearly, I give a shit.

No, it’s everyone else.

And, now that I think about it, they’re not going to give a shit precisely because they assume all politicians are basically the same.  You’re saying “But don’t you see?!  It’d be like if McCain was hanging out with Rudolph.”  What I’m saying is that most people in America assume that McCain is hanging out with someone like Rudolph.  It just hasn’t come out yet.  So, instead of having the effect you’d think it’d have–of showing Obama as someone who consorts with idiots–I think it subtly reenforces the idea that McCain is a hypocrite, which is weird because there’s at least a nugget of truth to the Ayers stuff.

But I think that Americans assume McCain does it (with “it” being consorting with unsavory folks) too, and that the only reason it hasn’t come up is because Obama is running a less ugly campaign.

That’s the problem with trying to tar your opponent as much as possible–deservedly or not, you get covered in tar, too.


12 thoughts on “Rarely is Roger Wrong, but He’s Wrong Right Now

  1. You’re assuming Obama disagrees with Ayers’ politics. Sure, he probably disagrees with the bombing stuff, but I’m more concerned that he agrees with Ayers as far as the commie stuff, (I’m too busy to get into the details, but I think you know what I mean by the commie stuff)
    I’m more concerned that Obama was in charge of an organization that spent tons of other peoples’ money with no results. Especially, since that will be the cornerstone of his presidency

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  4. I’m too busy to get into the details, but I think you know what I mean by the commie stuff)

    No, I don’t. Do tell. The devil is in the details, especially when one is wielding an anachronistic and childish (and loaded) political epithet.

    I’m more concerned that Obama was in charge of an organization that spent tons of other peoples’ money with no results.

    I was unaware that Obama was ever in charge of Iraq Coalition Provisional Authority. Wasn’t that L. Paul Bremer? Or maybe you’re referring to the DEA, or Lehman Brothers, or…

  5. Take your pick, W.

    But if we want to take use of the term seriously, I’d say we have to define it first. From what I can tell, W, a working right-wing definition of “communist” is “someone who doesn’t demonstrate sufficient enjoyment from fucking over the working and poor on behalf of the super-wealthy.”

    For the record, I agree with the politics (such as I understand them) of both Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. One of my reasons for not voting for Obama is his disavowal of the latter gentleman. He should have more friends like Bill Ayers.

  6. You seem to imply there is something wrong if a babykilling abortion mill is burned or bomb. Which do you prefer, a pile of bricks or a pile of dead babies? Innocent unborn babies deserve to be protected just as born children deserve to be protected. You would have no problem protecting born children if they were about to be murdered.
    SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life.

  7. Innocent unborn babies deserve to be protected just as born children deserve to be protected.

    Does this mean you protest the Iraq War as vigorously as you protest abortion clinics? Did you so vociferously protest the sanctions that killed half a million “born children”? Are you telling your congressional representatives that you want universal health care for all children (and their mothers)?

    If not, then I think you’d best be asking Jesus for some forgiveness your damn self:

    “How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” (Matthew 7:4,5)

  8. Interesting, C.S.

    The two year long, half a billion dollar investment that Obama (through his supporters) has had to make to even have the CHANCE to be elected should get derailed over a few attention grabbing remarks by a person’s pastor?

    Beyond that, I’m more of a Bernie Sanders guy. ;)

  9. If the Obama train gets derailed, Mack, it won’t be because of Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers or Obama’s middle name. None of those ‘scandals’ has any substance. In fact, nothing that the GOP has thrown up (and the corporate media dutifully amplified) even makes sense under the most minimal dose of scrutiny.

    The GOP topping its voter suppression successes of the last two presidential election cycles notwithstanding, the only thing that can stop Obama now would be the same thing that made the last two elections close enough to steal, which is the same thing that fueled the Southern Strategy and gave the rebellion so many poor white foot soldiers in the Civil War.

    If you ask the average McCain/Palin supporter, they’ll give you all kinds of excuses, like Obama’s secret Muslimness or his socialist ideals or what not. But the bottom line for most of them is old fashioned racism. The genius of Nixon, Reagan, et al is that they gave these people ways to couch their racism in more convoluted issues; some of them probably don’t even think of themselves as racist. But they’re going to go out on 4 November and cut off their collective toe to spite their foot, and they’re going to feel like patriotic, ‘real’ Americans in the process. Hell, some of them are actually convinced that voting for the war-mongering, reactionary lunatics is saving the country from the disaster that was accelerated by another set of war-mongering, reactionary lunatics.* Obama supporters (and other reasonably sensible folks) can only hope that some of them are willing to set that old nigger magic aside long enough to select a more competent national leader (one who doesn’t have to dive into the sewer to try and get elected).

    *This is one situation where ‘hair of the dog’ isn’t appropriate.

  10. One of you is faking being the good Reverend, right?

    Because, if not, I’m going to be laughing about that all day. I mean, if you really believe that abortion is murder and you understand that I’m pro-choice, your response to me is to encourage me to pray to the Christian god? FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF MY SINS?!

    Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

    I’m sorry, but if that doesn’t prove that even they don’t believe the severity of their own rhetoric, that they’re throwing a subconscious “like” into “Abortion is Murder,” I don’t know what does.

  11. Eh, the Reverend probably just doesn’t know which of your divinities to order you to pray to. I like it, though, that he’s sure that thinking it’s wrong to bomb a clinic is a sin.

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