These Short Thoughts of Mine

1. As a side note to what Southern Beale is saying here, the more I think about it, the more I do find it deeply weird that we hear from “Christians” (and I use the quotes only because it’s a specific segment of Christians, almost exclusively) whenever there’s an issue of homosexuality or abortion, but never on other things, like health care?  I know the health care issue is complicated and hardly anyone has read the whole bill (and does the Senate even have a bill yet?), but “take care of the sick” is a pretty big Christian imperative and there is a lot of discussion in Christian circles on the best way to do it.

So, why no media coverage?  It’s weird what the popular culture will accept as proper subjects for Christian commentary and the proper Christians they’ll let comment.

2.  Over at Pith, I write about letting Michael Vick play football again.

3. I don’t have clear thoughts on this because it seems so audacious that I can’t quite believe that there’s not more to it. Legislators who live near Nashville are really charging Tennessee taxpayers to come into the office? (That story’s particularly funny and galling because this is the same guy who didn’t want to extend unemployment benefits for his constituents while he made money doing a commute many of his working constituents do every day for free.)

4. I’m not a gun nut, but if I were, people showing up with guns and not so veiled references to watering the tree of liberty in the blood of tyrannts and patriots, I’d be deeply concerned. Because the whole “gun nuts” thing aside, the biggest progress gun lovers have made is in convincing the rest of us that y’all are normal people we have no reason to be afraid of.  One of these fuckers shoots someone at a political rally and it’s not going to be the Glenn Becks of the world who suffer the repercussions. It’s going to be the folks who have tried very hard to make their side seem like responsible adults.

27 thoughts on “These Short Thoughts of Mine

  1. The guy you’re talking about wasn’t on the property. He was on some church property nearby. I figure if the secret service had no problem with it, he probably wasn’t close enough to be even a remote threat.

    Funny, at the bottom of the story, they mention that a different guy got busted for trying to sneak into the event. He got an additional charge because he had a gun in his truck on school property.

  2. True, SayUncle, but ours don’t blow up federal buildings or climb into towers and open fire on unarmed citizens. The worst they do is blow themselves up with bombs intended for unoccupied buildings.

    There is a fundamental difference between an armed kook and an unarmed kook. It is not something that sits well with attempts to portray balance.

  3. ‘True, SayUncle, but ours don’t blow up federal buildings or climb into towers and open fire on unarmed citizens.’

    No, they just fire bomb police stations, bomb corporate offices, bomb universities, bomb scientists homes, fire shots into republican headquarters, and on and on. Woohoo. Let’s play spot the ideology of the nutjob! Always fun.

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  5. Charles Whitman climded the tower at the Universtity of Texas for conservative political reasons? Huh. Learn something new every day. And all before LBJ/Goldwater election when modern conservatism was in its infancy.

    I thought it was the insanity that did it. Maybe I’m missing something.

  6. Thanks for the mention, Aunt B. Sojourners has launched its healthcare reform campaign for the faith community. They have this guide to the healthcare reform debate (.pdf) which I’m going to print out and send to my mother in law. I found it very sensible.

    It just really frustrates me that when the news media wants to discuss faith issues they go to the same right-wing folks: Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Ralph Reed, etc. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen Jim Wallis on CNN.

  7. Auntie B does have a point the OC and that sign was not a good match to reassure the non gun people.

    About our nut cases. The real problem is when one does decide to take violent action the buldng bombers have had a higher body count.

    There seem to more violent people on the left but they are not as effective. probably becasue those on the right decide to not use emotion but think rationally when they decide on violence.

    The OK bomb was massive and destroyed a lot of innocent people and children. He gave a bad name to militia. He outperform AQ at that point. AQ had to wait until 9/11 to rop the OK bombing.

    I hear even on Fox about extreme militia and deadly violence about this conflict on health care.

  8. The best part about the OC guy in NH is that he showed that OC and protests do not lead to violence automatically.

  9. Long before we had “birthers” and “deathers,” to distinguish between Christians and “Christians,” I started referring to the latter as “Christers.” Say it out loud with a heavy tone of contempt; it’s oddly satisfying.

  10. My point exactly, RAh. Lefty domestic ‘terrorists’ generally to want to make their point without killing people. Right-wing violence is eliminationist in nature; i.e. it aims to kill people (often as many as possible). And J.T., I wasn’t the only one who conflated right-wing politics with gun nuts. Anyway, it isn’t a static link, it’s just that there’s a hell of a lot more overlap in the U.S. between right-wing ideology and eliminationist violence than between left-wing ideology and the same (again, the kind that aims to kill people vs. the kind that seeks to make a usually non-lethal statement). It isn’t even close.

  11. No, they just fire bomb police stations, bomb corporate offices, bomb universities, bomb scientists homes,

    Where is this epidemic of left wing political violence happening in America today? I must have missed it.

    This sounds like some portmanteau of crimes committed by UNABOM (hardly a leftist) and the Weather Underground (hardly contemporary). The only thing I can find on “police station bomb” are either in Spain or from where some numbnuts drove a bomb that they found to the police station.

    Oh, wait. This must be part of the left wing media conspiracy to assist in the coverup of political crime sprees and to suborn the murder of senior citizens in the name of health care.

    Christ.

  12. What is the cutoff when the bombing is no longer contemporary?

    If you include the ALF and ELF loonies, you’re still pretty current. Then there’s the various riots at G-8 summits, and whatnot, last year’s republican convention,…

    But I see Sam’s point; most of those loonies lack the will, or at the capability, to directly kill. They’re more the “criminally negligent homicide” types.

  13. Good thoughts. And I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding both #1 and #2. Vick paid for his transgressions and there is something wrong with a society that wants to keep punishing a person after they’ve already served their time.

  14. In the last two years? Scott Roeder, Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman, Timothy Dale Johnson, Nancy Genovese, Richard Poplawski, Jim Adkisson, Shawna Forde, James Von Brunn, Keith Luke…

  15. there is something wrong with a society that wants to keep punishing a person after they’ve already served their time
    Why? What is it that is wrong with that society???? Obviously if the judge says he’s served enough time then everyone in that particular society agrees.

  16. what’s wrong with that society, in a nutshell, is that it can’t decide if it wants justice or vengeance. trying to get both invites vendettas.

  17. In the case of Vick I don’t think it’s vengeance. I think it’s more scapegoating. Like B. says, we don’t have a problem with organized violence. And I doubt that we have a general problem with cruelty to animals. Dogfighting has been around for millennia, and as brutal and inhumane as it is, it isn’t much worse for pain and cruelty than what some of our factory food production processes do to other animals.

    As bad as his behavior might have been, I still don’t think Vick has attracted the media-driven outrage that was focused on Barry Bonds. The issue is less what Vick did and more what he represents. Athletes like Vick and Bonds provide a valuable release valve for our moral outrage. We’re such shitty citizens that we let travesties like stolen elections and bogus wars slip by us with barely a whimper, and we all know it. So instead of doing the heavy lifting required to clean up such major messes, we focus our outrage on things that don’t really measure up to the moral impact of what our civic neglect has allowed. The corporate media are there with their 24-hour, gossip-focused ‘reporting’ to help us out.

    It’s easier to heap fire and brimstone on a wayward pro athlete than it is to demand accountability from an elected (or appointed) mass murderer or torturer.

  18. You guys are tossing ‘society’ around like it’s a single entity. Society is an amalgam of a lot of individuals with different opinions. And Sam Holloway just isn’t in charge of deciding whether ‘society’ thinks an election was stole or a war was bogus.

  19. The correct verb tense is “stolen.” Most reasonable people who look at the preponderance of evidence will concur that the election of 2000 was fraudulent and that the Iraq War was based on lies. Everyone else is either ignorant or lying.

  20. Since you want to make fun of of my typos while you repeat yourself, I’m assuming you’re putting me down as ‘ignorant’.

    Then again you did say ‘most reasonable people’ instead of ‘all reasonable people’ so maybe I’m one of those few reasonable people who is neither ignorant or lying.

  21. That’s funny. All the later, independant recounts of the 2000 election say that Bush won.

    And if you want to rehash the lead up to the Iraq war again, we’ll break out our Matchbox 20 cds and do the tiiiiimmmmee waaaarp agaaaaaiiiiiin.

    The controversy continues!

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